You make some good points, but I was interested to know about your last comment 
on highlighting an article that describes what you would say are concrete harms 
arising from an exotic species. Just curious, but why are economics, at least 
that was the emphasis I got from the article, a more concrete harm than loss of 
services, both environmental and social? 

In Nebraska, introduced common reed in the Republican and Platte Rivers has 
been one of the main causes for reducing water flow into Kansas and obstructing 
nesting ground for two endangered bird species. Another example is eastern 
redcedar (yes, I know we just had a discussion as to the invasiveness of this 
native species) that has encroached into prairie grasslands creating 
monocultures that reduce diversity in not only herbaceous plant, but also 
invertebrate, and mammalian species. 

I know there are other examples of the 'concrete' harms done by exotic species 
beyond just the economics. See the link to find out what Asian carp are doing 
to kayakers in the Missouri River 
(http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2010/08/carp_attack.shtml).

Steve Young


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From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news 
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:30 AM
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] invasive truffles

As much as I enjoy (and tend to agree with) Matt Chew's commentary on this 
list, I must express my disagreement with some of what he says below.

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Matt Chew <[email protected]> wrote:
> Labeling a fungus as an "invader" it is an absurd anthropomorphism. It 
> is a further, even less supportable one to call a fungus  "invasive" 
> as if "invading" is an essential trait or characteristic of the taxon.

While I was speaking casually, I don't think that using the word "invasive" 
implies an intrinsic characteristic any more than, say, "successful" does. A 
person's success in some endeavor is a function of both their traits and their 
environment; the same goes for invasiveness. Furthermore, there's no necessary 
anthropomorphism behind the word "invasive". For example, doctors may speak of 
invasive cancers.

> No "Chinese" truffle found growing in Italy has ever been "Chinese" 
> except in name, and possibly as a spore-unless a person knowingly 
> moved it from Asia to Italy- in which case the motivation and volition 
> were the person's, and the relevant action was translocation, not 
> invasion. If there was ever any intention to invade anything as a 
> result, it was only and entirely a person's intention.

Why is volition relevant? Also, we often say that X (a fungus, a person, or 
whatever) is Chinese when its immediate ancestors are from China.

> Claiming this (or any) fungus causes problems violates any rational 
> conception of causality.  The problem discussed in the article (one 
> species of truffle being mistaken for or misrepresented as another) is 
> one of unethical conduct by truffle dealers and/or taxonomic error by 
> dealers and or buyers.  Truffles aren't "causing" anything.

The article also describes Tuber indicum as becoming established in truffle 
orchards and, either by human error or competition, preventing the growth of 
the desired Tuber melanosporum. If that's not causality, I don't know what is.

>  Careless metaphorical misconstruction and "blaming" organisms for 
> arriving and persisting in unexpected places actively undermines 
> ecological understanding, communication, effective research and 
> appropriate conservation action.

Is there any evidence that research is being undemined or that anyone is 
"blaming" organisms? I agree that many control/eradication efforts are 
thoroughly misguided.

> We should be interested in working out why any specific translocation 
> event results in a viable population (or not).unless ecology's primary 
> purpose is to declare, "We hate this change, so we hate this species!"

One of the reasons I highlighted this article is that it describes concrete 
harms arising from an exotic species, unlike the all-too-common "we must get 
rid of this species because it's not from here" or presentation of the cost of 
control efforts as a harm caused by the species.

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Jane Shevtsov, Ph.D.
Mathematical Biology Curriculum Writer, UCLA co-founder, 
www.worldbeyondborders.org

"In the long run, education intended to produce a molecular geneticist, a 
systems ecologist, or an immunologist is inferior, both for the individual and 
for society, than that intended to produce a broadly educated person who has 
also written a dissertation." --John Janovy, Jr., "On Becoming a Biologist"


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Jane Shevtsov, Ph.D.
Mathematical Biology Curriculum Writer, UCLA co-founder, 
www.worldbeyondborders.org

"In the long run, education intended to produce a molecular geneticist, a 
systems ecologist, or an immunologist is inferior, both for the individual and 
for society, than that intended to produce a broadly educated person who has 
also written a dissertation." --John Janovy, Jr., "On Becoming a Biologist"

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