Well, after reading Jones' reply, I am not quite sure what she means by some of 
her points. 

 <<the ecological community is losing the competition for 
biodiversity-preservation and, for numerous reasons, have little leverage 
against the corporate conservation organizations; economic, political, and 
social interests of habitat countries; repressive influence of defenders of 
"complex" & flagship taxa; the personality-driven and fashion-driven nature of 
conservation enterprises, etc., etc>>

First, who, exactly, are "the ecological community," as distinct from 
"corporate conservation organizations" and "defenders of complex and flagship 
taxa"?  When a student focuses on ecology, where does that student end up after 
graduation?  Academia?  Government?  Environmental consultancy?  If these are 
not the most effective career paths for "mitigation of anthropogenic 
stressors," then what would be a better approach?  I suspect Jones was speaking 
slightly tongue-in-cheek when she suggested Special Forces Survival Training, 
as she is certainly aware that forest security assistants are but one component 
of an overall conservation strategy.

As one who, in my younger days, participated in just this sort of "experiential 
learning" -- and made financial sacrifices to be able to afford it -- I cannot 
be as dismissive as Jones appeared to be.  For a student who is seriously 
concerned about biodiversity preservation, actually seeing the situation "on 
the ground" is an essential adjunct to classroom instruction.  In the 
classroom, we learn in the abstract; but this can create an unrealistic or 
idealized view of what is really possible.  Until I actually went to Costa 
Rica, and saw that literally the only tropical rainforests left were in the 
Reserves and National Parks, tropical deforestation was largely a distant 
problem I read about in textbooks and magazines.  I would say that this sort of 
program can be valuable, IF the content is well-planned to address the concerns 
Jones brought up.  Her call for an "independent and quantitative evaluation" is 
well taken, as it would serve the same
 purpose as, say, the accreditation process for universities.

Jason Hernandez


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Date:    Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:35:30 -0500
From:    "Clara B. Jones" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Brazilian Ecosystems Call for Students

Respectfully, this sort of program is simply an example of "experiential
learning" for kids who can afford it and for their faculty-caretakers...the
ecological community is losing the competition for
biodiversity-preservation and, for numerous reasons, have little leverage
against the corporate conservation organizations; economic, political, and
social interests of habitat countries; repressive influence of defenders of
"complex" & flagship taxa; the personality-driven and fashion-driven nature
of conservation enterprises, etc., etc. Programs such as this one have
proliferated remarkably over the past 15-20 y...*Cui bono*?...I call for an
independent and quantitative evaluation of these "education abroad" and
related programs, in particular, to determine their payoffs for the
environment, for the mitigation of anthropogenic stressors, for science,
for indigenous groups, for creative problem-solving, and the like. There is
much more of concern...and very little time to act...Suggestion to Kolb:
put these kids through Special Forces Survival Training, teach them to keep
their mouths shut and their eyes open, and put them to work as forest
security assistants under the direction of Brazilian nationals concerned
with biodiversity-protection...

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Suzanne Kolb <[email protected]> wrote:

> Antioch Education Abroad's Brazilian Ecosystems Program is a 16-credit fa=
ll
> semester for undergraduate students. Now accepting applications!
>
> Please encourage your students to participate in this vital field
> experience. It is an outstanding opportunity for direct field experience
> with the ecology of Brazil's biodiversity, and with real world conservati=
on
> problem solving.
>
> The program travels to the Atlantic Forest, Cerrado Savanna, Amazon
> Rainforest, and Pantanal Wetland, across four different states: Paran=E1,
> Goi=E1s, Amazonas, and Mato Grosso.
>
> Students return to campus inspired and energized about continuing their
> education towards more realistically defined career goals.
>
> Program dates: 30 August - 29 November.
>
> Please invite your students to learn more about this program by directing
> them to aea.antioch.edu/brazil
>
> Suzanne Kolb, Ph.D. Ecology
> Associate Professor of Environmental Science
> Director, Brazilian Ecosystems Program
> [email protected]
>



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