I would say that the time for words is over.  We have known for years that 
systems thinking is what is needed.  However, it is not what is practiced and 
few understand what this really means especially considering that most are 
trained as reductionists and have made a career on it.  

I have been involved with 2 different "Sustainable Solutions" initiatives in 
two different academic institutions and despite the words that I have seen 
written, the practices within these institutions remain the same as it has for 
years. For example, "participatory" modeling is code for inviting the same old 
elites to the table and asking inane questions.  I could go on.

Also, the idea of "win-win" solutions is absurd.  No matter how you slice up 
the pie (e.g., land use), there will always be winners and losers.  Albeit, we 
can come up with a much better system than the current one, but we will still 
have to find ways to compensate the losers and/or incentivise things in some 
way (e.g., Carbon offsets, paying for ecosystem services, etc.).  This has 
always been the challenge and requires hard work, not more research funded by 
tax payers to further the career of some academic.  One problem is the Academic 
institution itself...it's agenda to publish or perish, consisting of 
self-interested individuals who, as Albert Camus has said, seek prizes and 
awards and self-promotion.

I would say put the money towards synthesizing past research, bringing multiple 
disciplines together in a real way (not the way it is currently being done 
using the same old, overly educated  elites), and use the money for more 
practical solutions (e.g., compensation and incentive programs) and educating 
people (including those who wrote the ESA dribble) on what systems thinking 
really means...and fire the people who want to do inane research to answer 
God-type questions.  It's funny that these people can write books (using tax 
payer money) on "How to have a career to save the earth" (think of how arrogant 
and self serving that is) , yet they fail to see how their own behavior and 
their own institution contributes to, and is in fact, a broken system.  I would 
also say that if "Sustainability" ( in the 1990's they called it Ecosystem 
Management) or "saving the earth" is their agenda, they have failed miserably.  
If they want to "change the world", they should start by changing their own 
broken little system and allow a diversity of thought to "participate" in their 
little world.

Jon 


> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:26:19 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystems and Energy  Biofuels  Homage to Principle 
> or Deceptive Fraud?
> To: [email protected]
> 
> Ecolog (with special thanks to Cliff Duke): 
> 
> It appears that the official ESA policy can be summed up as follows: 
> 
> "Taken together, these three principles - systems thinking, conservation of 
> ecosystem services, and scale alignment - can create a sustainable biofuels 
> infrastructure that will serve U.S. citizens, the economy, and the 
> environment. http://www.esa.org/pao/policyStatements/Statements/biofuel.php
> 
> "Adopted by the ESA Governing Board, January 2008.
> 
> 
> 
> "The Ecological Society of America is the country's primary professional 
> organization of ecologists, representing 10,000 scientists in the United 
> States and around the world.  Since its founding in 1915, ESA has pursued the 
> promotion of the responsible application of ecological principles to the 
> solution of environmental problems through ESA reports, journals, research, 
> and expert testimony to Congress.  For more information about the Society and 
> its activities, visit the ESA website at http://www.esa.org."; 
> 
> 
> 
> I'd be interested in any comments regarding this policy. 
> 
> 
> 
> WT
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cliff Duke" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystems and Energy Biofuels Homage to Principle or 
> Deceptive Fraud?
> 
> 
> > People interested in ESA activities regarding biofuels and sustainability 
> > may be interested in the following: (1) series of biofuels and 
> > sustainability reports at http://www.esa.org/biofuelsreports/, (2) 
> > presentations from our 2008 conference on the ecological dimensions of 
> > biofuels at http://www.esa.org/biofuels/, (3) position statement on 
> > biofuels and sustainability at 
> > http://www.esa.org/pao/policyStatements/Statements/biofuel.php; and (4) a 
> > feature with several articles in the June issue of Ecological Applications 
> > at http://www.esajournals.org/toc/ecap/21/4.
> > 
> > -- Cliff Duke
> > 
> > Clifford S. Duke, Ph.D.
> > Director of Science Programs
> > Ecological Society of America
> > 1990 M Street NW, Suite 700
> > Washington, DC 20036
> > Phone: (202) 833-8773
> > Fax: (202) 833-8775
> > E-mail: [email protected]
> > www.esa.org/science
> > 
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