Eward Drinker Cope took only one college level course, comparative anatomy. Of course, back then they did not assign grades in college either!
As we continue to create an educational system that demands less and less of its pupils, we find our performance as a country and out stature as a nation falling fast. Some state that the reason other countries are passing the US is because we educated them. Maybe the more obvious is that the Chinese, Japanese, etc. expect their students to perform, place the responsibility for learning on the students, and resultantly, the students are more prepared to excel in the real world where you boss isn't going to teach you how to sit in a cubicle, show up for work, or do your job. I recall that these were some of the major problems that modern business was having with new grads! If you make excuses for poor performance, such as the course wasn't taught great, then the students have a cop out. If you expect students to do well regardless of the situation, the learn to deal with adversity and perform as full members of society. No one learns to be self-motivated, an independent learner, or how to be responsible if they are never provided the opportunity to develop motivation, independently learn, or act responsibly. These things aren't taught, they are learned. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Mark Winterstein <[email protected]> wrote: > By now this thread may be getting a little old and I hope I'm not beating a > dead horse. But I just would like to point out that a piece of paper does > not equal intelligence. I do agree with earlier folks that pointed out that > drive and determination are 90% of a PhD with 10% being intelligence. There > are plenty of geniuses out there driving cabs and flipping burgers. Have you > ever been to a mensa meeting? > > I think a degree these days means a much different thing than it did 50 > years ago. It used to be a big accomplishment to obtain a bachelors degree > much less a PhD (so my father tells me). My father worked for the USGS as a > hydrologist for over thirty years and started entry level with a bachelors > in civil engineering. He worked through the years and moved up in position > until he ceased doing field work and was only running analyses and writing > reports. To achieve his grade at the time he retired one would need a PhD to > qualify. We're in an age where motivation and a yearning to learn aren't > enough. It seems now we need to be qualified by institutions and recieve a > piece of paper to prove to the world we are intelligent or perhaps just > competent enough to to contribute to a field of science. > > The funny thing nowadays is when a person follows their personal passion for > a subject they haven't been trained in or recieved a degree in and they're > called an amateur scientist. By these standards so would've Gregor Mendel. > We must be careful to hold on to titles so dearly and remember to check our > arrogance at the door. > > Mark Winterstein > >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:54:52 -0500 >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] EdD vs PhD >> To: [email protected] >> >> that is completely a false assumption. I did a MS prior to my PHD, >> but when students go directly into the PHD, they still have to go >> through all the MS requirements prior to going through the PHD >> requirements. It is the same thing. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Pete Rissler >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > What concerns me more then EdD vs PhD is getting a PhD without fist >> > getting >> > a Master's degree. Whenever I see an applicant with a PhD and no >> > Master's, >> > I view their PhD as either a glorified Master's or a watered down PhD. >> > I >> > know there are advantages for doing this for both the school and >> > students >> > but call me old school I think a PhD should be earned without any short >> > cuts. >> > >> > Pete >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mitch Cruzan >> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:58 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] EdD vs PhD >> > >> > Whether it sits right with you or not, it is true. Not everybody has >> > the same intellectual ability, the same as we are not all able to be >> > Olympic athletes no matter how hard we work. Otherwise, universities >> > would not require high scores on entrance exams for undergraduate study, >> > and we would not require our applicants to our PhD programs to perform >> > well on GREs. 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