From this rigid point of view almost no human communities are
self-sustaining. The city-dwellers do not grow their own food and the farmers do not build their own tractors.

I think that this line of reasoning is absurd. There is definitely a benefit to the countryside in selling food to cities, they make money. I don't know why this is not an "ecological" interaction, but so long as the exchange is fair, the urbanites pay for their food and the farmers use the money to buy tractors, this is a symbiotic relationship. The idea that someone who lives in the city provides no benefit to the farmers who grow his food is simply wrong.

Bill Silvert


----- Original Message ----- From: "joseph gathman" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Overpopulation, was: Economic Growth


Bill, the term "parasite" is used here in its proper biological/ecological meaning: an organism that "obtains" some of its resources from others, without benefitting the hosts. It is not used as a pejorative in this context (from a biological point of view, I regard parasites with some awe and fascination), and it is not meant to reflect human economic interactions. It simply means that cities aren't self-sustaining; they require the surrounding countryside to supply their resources and to absorb their waste. And there is no apparent ecological benefit to the countryside in this interaction.

I guess it basically means that cities have a large ecological footprint, if you find the use of the term "parasite" offensive. I'll stick to "parasite", though, as I find it an appropriate, if imperfect, analogy.

Joe

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