Dear Stephen, While Stephen points may perhaps be interesting they do not work because:
1)Greenhouse gasses are greenhouse gasses because they absorb light and transmit it into long wave radiation and heat. Energy absorption of gasses is additittive but properties of molecules rather than atoms. Therefore oxygen and hydrogen are not real greenhouse gasses while water vapour is. Or the sum of the absorptions of carbon (which is not a gas at ambient temperatures) and oxygen cannot be added to give the greenhouse gas effect of CO2 and O2 is not a greenhouse gas. You idea is based on the additivity of absorption coefficients which is not true. 2) You cannot burn anoxic water and your definition of annoxic water is not good. Annoxic water is not water without oxygen but water with low levels of dissolved oxygen. Normally oxygen is removed from annoxic water because dissolved organic matter is respired microoganism. Therefore you do not have any H2 molecules in annoxic water and you can not burn it. (Or in pure chemistry terms non-annoxic water would be water (many H2O) with dissolved oxygen (a few O2) in it while annoxic water would be water with no (or less) dissolved oxygen in it (many H2O less or almost no O2). Anoxic water has not anything to do with the occurence of H2. So, we are open to new solutions to climate change, but I do not think that easy solutions are around...... Cheers Frank PS Go Habs go.... > I want to say at the outset that I'm not one of those skeptics who don't > believe in global warming. I believe it's happening and it's scary. I'm > proposing two solutions based on chemistry and mathematics. > > > > Solution I. The buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been > linked > to global warming. This has led to attempts to regulate carbon output. But > carbon is not the biggest part of carbon dioxide-oxygen is. Carbon dioxide > is made up of one atom of carbon and two atoms of oxygen. Therefore, oxygen > is twice as big a problem as carbon. If we for the moment use the periodic > table of elements (even though it's just a theory), we see that the atomic > weight of carbon is only 12, compared to a whopping 16 for oxygen. Using > these data in sophisticated mathematical models shows that carbon makes up > 38% by weight of the carbon dioxide molecule. Therefore, oxygen accounts > for > 100% - 38% = 62% of the global warming problem. (I apologize for throwing > all this complicated chemistry and math at you, but it's the only way to > make my argument.) > > So let's stop trying to fix the wrong problem. We need to focus our > attention on reducing atmospheric oxygen. There are a couple ways to do > this. One is to produce more humans, who will breathe in more oxygen. > Another way is to cut down on the number of plants in the world, which are > putting oxygen into the atmosphere. We're already doing a pretty good job > at > these two things, but more effort is needed. I'm optimistic we can do it. > I'm not one of these the-world-is-coming-to-an-end kinds of people. > > Being open-minded to both sides of the argument, I'd now like to > respond to a naysayer who listens to my solution and says nay. He says > humans are already sucking up too much oxygen from the atmosphere. He > suggests I write to my Congressperson to pass a law that all humans born in > even years can breathe only on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. All humans > born in odd years can breathe on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. Save > Sundays for animals to breathe. He claims this is 100% guaranteed to solve > the global warming problem. All I can say to him is, stop basing your > arguments on emotion just because animals are cute and have big doe eyes. > Use science. > > > > Solution II. The second way to solve the global warming problem has to do > with anoxic areas of estuaries and oceans. Anoxic means water that is > devoid > of oxygen. Only anaerobic bacteria can live in these waters-all the fish go > belly-up. Extensive anoxic areas exist in places like the bottom of > Chesapeake Bay and the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. Water is H2O, so > anoxic water is simply H2O - O = H2, which is chemical shorthand for > hydrogen, a very clean fuel. I propose we pump all this anoxic water > (hydrogen) out of the oceans and use it as clean fuel in our cars and power > plants. The more anoxic water we burn, the healthier our oceans, so we > might > consider making cars and trucks that get even fewer miles per gallon of > fuel > than they do now. An important side benefit is that sucking all that water > out of the oceans would solve the problem of a rising sea level. Also, a > lower sea level would give us new areas to pack in more beach-front > properties. > > > > In closing, I've shown two ways how science and technology can solve the > global warming problem, one of the major crises of the day. My ideas are so > obvious I'm surprised no one has proposed them before. Now I expect I'll > hear from the skeptics. > > > > Disclaimer: My research has not been funded by any oil companies but I > wouldn't mind if they did. > > > ECOLOG-L automatic digest system wrote: > Skip repetitive navigational links <#skipnavlinks> > L-Soft - Home of the LISTSERV mailing list manager > <http://www.lsoft.com>LISTSERV(R) 14.5 > > > ECOLOG-L Digest - 28 Oct 2008 to 29 Oct 2008 (#2008-298) > > > Table of contents: > > * Palin laughs at fruit fly research <#S1> (18) > * EDUCATION Solution and Problem Re: [ECOLOG-L] Acceptance of > basic research, even with fruit flies] <#S2> > * Conservation spending <#S3> (2) > * Job: Molecular Ecologist, City College of New York <#S4> > * Two simple solutions for global warming <#S5> > * Spring Bird Sanctuary Internships <#S6> > * Graduate Opportunities for River and Wetland Engineering and > Ecosystem Research at Virginia Tech <#S7> > * Fw: Student travel awards for US-International Association for > Landscape Ecology symposium <#S8> > * Postdoc: modelling pred-prey <#S9> > * PhD/MS Assistantships in Fish and Aquatic Ecology - University > of Idaho <#S10> > * Postdoctoral Fellowship: Fisheries & Genomics <#S11> > * Field BOTANISTS needed - MOFEP Summer 2009 <#S12> > * Confusing article quoting Paul Cherubini <#S13> > * igert opportunities at the University of Kansas <#S14> > * Spending the taxpayer's money: Was Palin laughs at fruit fly > research <#S15> > > 1. Palin laughs at fruit fly research > * Re: Palin laughs at fruit fly research > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.2> > (10/29) > *From:* "David M. 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EDUCATION Solution and Problem Re: [ECOLOG-L] Acceptance of > basic research, even with fruit flies] > * Re: EDUCATION Solution and Problem Re: [ECOLOG-L] > Acceptance of basic research, even with fruit flies] > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.3> > (10/29) > *From:* William Silvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 3. Conservation spending > * Conservation spending > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.7> > (10/29) > *From:* Rob Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * Re: Conservation spending > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.13> > (10/29) > *From:* malcolm McCallum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 4. Job: Molecular Ecologist, City College of New York > * Job: Molecular Ecologist, City College of New York > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.9> > (10/29) > *From:* "Robert P. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 5. Two simple solutions for global warming > * Re: Two simple solutions for global warming > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.15> > (10/29) > *From:* Martin Meiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 6. Spring Bird Sanctuary Internships > * Spring Bird Sanctuary Internships > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.17> > (10/29) > *From:* Gwen Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 7. Graduate Opportunities for River and Wetland Engineering and > Ecosystem Research at Virginia Tech > * Graduate Opportunities for River and Wetland Engineering > and Ecosystem Research at Virginia Tech > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.18> > (10/29) > *From:* Erich Hester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 8. Fw: Student travel awards for US-International Association for > Landscape Ecology symposium > * Fw: Student travel awards for US-International Association > for Landscape Ecology symposium > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.20> > (10/29) > *From:* Jeff Hollister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 9. Postdoc: modelling pred-prey > * Postdoc: modelling pred-prey > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.22> > (10/29) > *From:* Kim Cuddington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 10. PhD/MS Assistantships in Fish and Aquatic Ecology - University > of Idaho > * PhD/MS Assistantships in Fish and Aquatic Ecology - > University of Idaho > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.23> > (10/29) > *From:* Brian Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 11. Postdoctoral Fellowship: Fisheries & Genomics > * Postdoctoral Fellowship: Fisheries & Genomics > > <mailbox:///home/frank1/.mozilla-thunderbird/pud4qerg.default/Mail/pop.gmail.com/Inbox?number=241470481&header=quotebody&part=1.25> > (10/29) > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 12. 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