On Mon, 2025-09-29 at 10:20 +0200, Christian König wrote:
> On 29.09.25 10:16, Thomas Hellström wrote:
> > On Fri, 2025-09-26 at 13:00 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 04:51:29PM +0200, Christian König wrote:
> > > > On 26.09.25 16:41, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 03:51:21PM +0200, Thomas Hellström
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well both exporter and exporter has specific information
> > > > > > WRT
> > > > > > this. The
> > > > > > ultimate decision is done in the exporter attach()
> > > > > > callback,
> > > > > > just like
> > > > > > pcie_p2p. And the exporter acknowledges that by setting the
> > > > > > dma_buf_attachment::interconnect_attach field. In analogy
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > dma_buf_attachment::peer2peer member.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having a single option seems too limited to me..
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, agree.
> > > >
> > > > > I think it would be nice if the importer could supply a list
> > > > > of
> > > > > 'interconnects' it can accept, eg:
> > > > >
> > > > > - VRAM offset within this specific VRAM memory
> > > > > - dma_addr_t for this struct device
> > > > > - "IOVA" for this initiator on a private interconnect
> > > > > - PCI bar slice
> > > > > - phys_addr_t (used between vfio, kvm, iommufd)
> > > >
> > > > I would rather say that the exporter should provide the list of
> > > > what
> > > > interconnects the buffer might be accessible through.
> > >
> > > Either direction works, I sketched it like this because I thought
> > > there were more importers than exporters, and in the flow it is
> > > easy
> > > for the importer to provide a list on the stack
> > >
> > > I didn't sketch further, but I think the exporter and importer
> > > should
> > > both be providing a compatible list and then in almost all cases
> > > the
> > > core code should do the matching.
> > >
> > > If the importer works as I showed, then the exporter version
> > > would be
> > > in an op:
> > >
> > > int exporter_negotiate_op(struct dma_buf *dmabuf,
> > > struct dma_buf_interconnect_negotiation *importer_support,
> > > size_t
> > > importer_len)
> > > {
> > > struct dma_buf_interconnect_negotiation exporter_support[2]
> > > = {
> > > [0] = {.interconnect = myself->xe_vram},
> > > [1] = {.interconnect = &dmabuf_generic_dma_addr_t,
> > > .interconnect_args = exporter_dev},
> > > };
> > > return dma_buf_helper_negotiate(dmabuf, exporter_support,
> > > ARRAY_SIZE(exporter_support), importer_support,
> > > importer_len);
> > > }
> > >
> > > Which the dma_buf_negotiate() calls.
> > >
> > > The core code does the matching generically, probably there is a
> > > struct dma_buf_interconnect match() op it uses to help this
> > > process.
> > >
> > > I don't think importer or exporter should be open coding any
> > > matching.
> > >
> > > For example, we have some systems with multipath PCI. This could
> > > actually support those properly. The RDMA NIC has two struct
> > > devices
> > > it operates with different paths, so it would write out two
> > > &dmabuf_generic_dma_addr_t's - one for each.
> > >
> > > The GPU would do the same. The core code can have generic code to
> > > evaluate if P2P is possible and estimate some QOR between the
> > > options.
> >
> > This sounds OK with me. I have some additional questions, though,
> >
> > 1) Everybody agrees that the interconnect used is a property of the
> > attachment? It should be negotiated during attach()?
>
> Yes, attach allows the exporter to know who wants to access it's
> buffer.
>
> Map/unmap then requests the actual location where the exporter has
> moved the buffer so that it is accessible by everybody.
>
> > 2) dma-buf pcie-p2p allows transparent fallback to system memory
> > dma-
> > buf. I think that is a good thing to keep even for other
> > interconnects
> > (if possible). Like if someone wants to pull the network cable, we
> > could trigger a move_notify() and on next map() we'd fall back. Any
> > ideas around this?
>
> We already do that if new importers come along.
>
> E.g. you have a connection which can do PCIe P2P and then suddenly
> somebody attaches which can only do DMA to system memory. In that
> situation we use move_notify to move the buffer into system memory
> and imports re-map it to grasp the new location.
Sure, Just wandering whether we should document and require that also
for fast interconnects. So that if we use a new map_attachment()
function, like was suggested ealier, if that fails, the importer should
ideally retry with the old one to get an sg-list to system memory?
Thanks,
Thomas
>
> Regards,
> Christian.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jason
> >
>
