> Out of curiosity, where do you generate so many foreign dma-buf backes
> objects?
That was just an experiment of sharing buffers between two AMD devices.
A stupid reference count bug and I've leaked 60 full HD frame a second.
Took a bit over two minutes to eat up 1GB of GTT space and the box dying
rather spectacularly.
Regards,
Christian.
Am 11.01.2016 um 15:55 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:38:23PM +0100, Christian König wrote:
>>> While this would be one way to work around the GTT space DOS, it
>>> wouldn't work around the DOS problem of the exporter pinning system
>>> pages that probably never get accounted. That's a limitation of the
>>> export-import mechanism (dma-buf).
>> Yeah, completely agree. That's a problem we sooner or later need to address
>> as well.
>>
>> But currently I worry mostly about that specific problem at hand and how to
>> fix it, the larger design problems need to wait.
>>
>> Just send five patches out to the list and CCing you as well. You can ignore
>> the last two which are amdgpu specific, but would be nice if you could take
>> a look at the first three.
> Out of curiosity, where do you generate so many foreign dma-buf backes
> objects? With prime I expect at most a few framebuffers on each side to be
> shared, and that shouldn't really cause much trouble. Just sharing
> dma-bufs with your own device should result in the underlying native
> objects being referenced, so work like flink.
>
> Wrt fixing this for real: I think step 1 would be stop pinning dma-bufs on
> import and instead implementing all the map/unmap vfunc hooks ttm already
> implements (it's fully intentional that they match really closely
> between) by virtualizing essentially ttm_bo_api.h.
>
> After that we need to allow exporters to evict mappings importers have
> created (using the ww_mutex locking and all that like ttm does for purely
> native eviction). That likely needs a callback to dma_buf_attachment. With
> that we should be 90% there, since most likely when the importer tries to
> bind more stuff exported from somewhere we'll run into limits of the
> exporter. It's not perfect since it's not (yet) a truly global evict, but
> should get us a large step towards that goal.
>
> If we really need global eviction across all drivers in a system (for e.g.
> system memory, nothing else should be shared like that really I think)
> then I guess we could look into either extending ttm_global (or adding
> something similar at the dma-buf level).
>
> Cheers, Daniel
>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Christian.
>>
>> Am 11.01.2016 um 14:00 schrieb Thomas Hellstrom:
>>> On 01/11/2016 01:39 PM, Christian König wrote:
>>>> Am 10.01.2016 um 16:10 schrieb Thomas Hellstrom:
>>>>> On 01/09/2016 11:46 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>> It's correct that exported buffers can't be moved to another domain or
>>>>>> swapped to disk while another device is using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for imports that's a different story:
>>>>>>> an imported object should never end up on a LRU list in TTM because
>>>>>>> TTM wouldn't know how to evict it.
>>>>>> Even currently the imported objects are actually added to the LRU. The
>>>>>> problem is just that they are not added immediately during creation,
>>>>>> but only with the first command submission.
>>>>> Hmm. The fact that they are added to LRU at all sounds weird. What
>>>>> happens when TTM tries to evict or even swap out an imported buffer?
>>>> Adding them to the domain LRU is perfectly normal for the imported
>>>> buffers and also works fine as far as I know.
>>>>
>>>> When TTM evicts them it just gets unmapped from GTT to make room in
>>>> the address space, which at least for Radeon and Amdgpu is exactly
>>>> what we want.
>>>>
>>>> That imported buffers get added to the swap LRU is indeed nonsense,
>>>> but not harmful as far as I can see. Going to fix that in a follow up
>>>> patch.
>>>>
>>> So the way TTM was designed when it was written was to be used to place
>>> data in memory types where it could later be mapped by CPU and GPU in a
>>> coherent fashion.
>>>
>>> The actual GPU mapping was primarily thought to be done by the driver as
>>> part of the validation process *after* that placement if needed.
>>>
>>> Now many (most, all) drivers don't need that second step since the
>>> memory type is directly mappable by the GPU, but in a situation where
>>> the core TTM functionality (placement and swapping) is completely
>>> replaced by another mechanism (such as imported buffers), not
>>> implementing the GPU binding and eviction in the driver as a separate
>>> step naturally generates a conflict.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not at all against TTM being used for GPU mapping only if that
>>> simplifies things for imported buffers but in that case IMO one should
>>> be aware of the limitations and we should find a way to mark those
>>> buffers GPU_MAP_ONLY to avoid having TTM competing with the exporter
>>> about the placement ad avoid putting it on the swap LRU.
>>>
>>> While this would be one way to work around the GTT space DOS, it
>>> wouldn't work around the DOS problem of the exporter pinning system
>>> pages that probably never get accounted. That's a limitation of the
>>> export-import mechanism (dma-buf).
>>>
>>> /Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>>> Christian.
>>>>
>>>>> /Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 09.01.2016 um 08:05 schrieb Thomas Hellstrom:
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I might be misunderderstanding the use-case here, but IIRC the
>>>>>>> discussion with TTM vs imported / exported buffer objects is that a
>>>>>>> buffer object needs to be marked NO_EVICT in TTM before it's exported
>>>>>>> and an imported object should never end up on a LRU list in TTM
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> TTM wouldn't know how to evict it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Thomas
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2016 02:41 PM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>> From: Christian König <christian.koenig at amd.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we import a BO with an eternal reservation object we don't
>>>>>>>> reserve/unreserve it. So we never add it to the LRU causing a
>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>> deny of service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Christian König <christian.koenig at amd.com>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_bo.c | 8 +++++++-
>>>>>>>> 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_bo.c
>>>>>>>> b/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_bo.c
>>>>>>>> index 745e996..a98a5d5 100644
>>>>>>>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_bo.c
>>>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_bo.c
>>>>>>>> @@ -1170,9 +1170,15 @@ int ttm_bo_init(struct ttm_bo_device *bdev,
>>>>>>>> if (likely(!ret))
>>>>>>>> ret = ttm_bo_validate(bo, placement, interruptible,
>>>>>>>> false);
>>>>>>>> - if (!resv)
>>>>>>>> + if (!resv) {
>>>>>>>> ttm_bo_unreserve(bo);
>>>>>>>> + } else if (!(bo->mem.placement & TTM_PL_FLAG_NO_EVICT)) {
>>>>>>>> + spin_lock(&bo->glob->lru_lock);
>>>>>>>> + ttm_bo_add_to_lru(bo);
>>>>>>>> + spin_unlock(&bo->glob->lru_lock);
>>>>>>>> + }
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> if (unlikely(ret))
>>>>>>>> ttm_bo_unref(&bo);
>>>
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