On 7/6/22 18:15, Michael Peddemors wrote:
On 2022-07-06 10:17, gene heskett wrote:
As far as I can see from what I tested today (mainly switching my
Thunderbird from "Normal Password" to "OAuth"), Clients effectively
*have* to be "also a browser" (rendering the HTML for O365's login
prompts, accepting and sending user input, storing the OAuth token
as a HTTP cookie) to be able to do that. SMTP remains exempt from
the requirement for now, on the theory that printers and the like
may want to use it, and not be up to implementing the new stuff.
(Otherwise, MS' position can be summarized as "our clients work
great, Thunderbird succeded in implementing it, if your client
doesn't, go nag the vendor".)
And one more time we have allowed a sworn enemy to set the standard,
shame on us.
Getting a little off topic, but yes.. I believe Dovecot also sees the
threat for all it's users, if authentication processes are forced in a
direction that only favours the big three.
Which is why I hope it gets more open with allowing 3rd parties to
contribute to Dovecot as plugins, that support other methods of 2FA..
Sworn Enemy? Not if you have shares in your 401k/RRSP they aren't.
These are smart business moves to consolidate the market for them,
which in turn means stock prices go up.
Yes, many years ago, what little I knew about windows nt-3.51 led me to
believe it had a timer set for a random number in the 2 to 4 year category,
that deleted its main dll when the timer expired, I put the drive in a
different
machine and dug around in it after it failed in the night, and the
failure was
costing us around 5g's a day in airing the wrong commercials for our market
area. I did find a suspicious shell script, but didn't find the timer.
So time was of the essence and since it was a CBS supplied machine
I had no access to its license number so the support person refused to
supply
the now missing library and called me a pirate several times during our
conversation. To this day I may be forced to buy a windows license as part
of the sale, but the windows install will be wiped when it arrives on my
property. So I either build my own, or buy used w/o a hard drive and
sticker.
Old Dells, with linux installed have a lot of miles left in them.
So other than that, we're on the same page.
But it will be a terrible world, if interoperability between
independent email providers, and the big three area threatened, or if
they are forced to 'drink the koolaid'.
I can't drink the koolaid, way too much sugar and I'm a DM-II for nearly 40
years.
But it is nice to see products like Thunderbird and other supporting
alternative means of 2FA, just like to see Dovecot support them as
well natively, or through plugins.
Since my own net provider's mail server is dovecot, and so far it Just
Works,
I am happy but concerned because being the only game on this ball of rock
and water is BG's dream.
Just my two bits..
Mine too. Take care and stay well, Michael Peddemors
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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