On 7/15/14, Jiri Bourek <bou...@thinline.cz> wrote: > On 15.7.2014 11:13, Nick Edwards wrote: >> On 7/14/14, Jiri Bourek <bou...@thinline.cz> wrote: >>> On 14.7.2014 00:24, Nick Edwards wrote: >>>> On 7/12/14, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> experience with Debian Wheezy is that lo "goes down" a lot, so this is >>>>> one of the first things I do when odd stuff happens. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Use a better operating system then >>> >>> Blaming operating system after *one* person reports something strange >>> about it seems a bit overboard, doesn't it...? >>> >> debian has a long history of being clueless: >> old packages in new releases, untested packages in releases >> (mailscanner did not, and was never going to, work out of thebox in a >> recent release) > > As most Linux distributions, Debian is a collective work done mostly by > volunteers. If you want newer versions and tested packages, feel free to > help them. >
Why would I do that when I'm happy using other systems, and one thing I hate about debian users is, they are all so shit scared of using the source if they want latest versions they wont use them unless someone creates a deb package, FFS, they call themselves sys admins > And honestly, the situation about untested and old packages isn't as > grim as you're trying to say. not from the bitches i hear daily on other lists, including one I am one of the developers of. >> >> debian has history of thinking it knows better than upstream: >> openssl screwup they told debian was wrong but debian released it >> anyway causing grief for not only debian systems but all systems >> including windows that used certs generated on a debi\an server. > > AFAIK it was actually the other way around. Debian maintainers asked on > openssl-dev list if their change is ok and were told that it is. not from my recollection. unless they were told by a normal user, which is why -dev lists should only be populated by devs and not public. >> >> and dont get me started on debians release/ftp manager and the >> personal biases there either, shall I go? I can but it would be a bore >> for most. >> > > As far as I am concerned, there's no need to be more OT than we are now. > > Also please stop sending me personal messages, I am on the list. pffft blame gmail, I could not be bothered checking the headers each time i click reply
