On 8.11.2013, at 14.29, Gedalya <geda...@gedalya.net> wrote:

>> * In normal load don't queue mails, just continue delivering the mail 
>> through different processes/services until it succeeds or fails, and only 
>> after that return ok/failure to the SMTP client. So there's no (forced) 
>> post-queue filtering, everything would normally happen pre-queue. This is 
>> required because in Germany (and EU in general?) you aren't allowed to just 
>> drop spams after SMTP server has responsed OK to the client, even if you’re 
>> 100% sure it’s a spam. So this would also mean that the SMTP DATA replies 
>> will come more slowly, which means that the SMTP server must be able to 
>> handle a lot more concurrent SMTP connections, which means that in large 
>> installations the smtpd process must be able to asynchronously handle 
>> multiple SMTP client connections.
> This is basically what I normally do with exim, and I believe it can be 
> achieved with postfix, so basically your point is a single asynchronous smtpd 
> for multiple connections?

But can you (easily) configure them so that pre-queue filtering happens 
normally, except under heavy load it would automatically switch to post-queue 
filtering to avoid temporarily rejecting mails?

> My experience has been that the real problem with SMTP-time decision making 
> is the concurrency of the extremely heavy (e.g.) spamassassin processes, 
> heavy in both memory and CPU, and I/O if you use bayes which you should.

Yeah. In cloud(-like) environments the idea is also that Antispam/virus 
instances could be started and stopped on the automatically on the fly as 
needed.

>> * Dovecot MTA is a new product, which means we can add some requirements to 
>> how it's being used, especially related to securely sending emails between 
>> servers. It could do a bunch of checks at startup and fail to even start if 
>> everything isn't correct. Here are some things I had in mind - not sure if 
>> all of these are good ideas or not:
> They are all good ideas as long as these requirements can be turned off per 
> site :-)

That was kind of the idea, that some of these couldn’t be turned off :) So the 
idea being that Dovecot MTA would slowly start making email a secure 
communication method.

>> * Configuration: It would take years to implement all of the settings that 
>> Postfix has, but I think it's not going to be necessary. In fact I think the 
>> number of new settings to dovecot.conf that Dovecot MTA requires would be 
>> very minimal. Instead nearly all of the configuration could be done using 
>> Sieve scripts. We'd need to implement some new MTA-specific Sieve extensions 
>> and a few core features/configurations/databases that the scripts can use, 
>> but after that there wouldn't be really any limits to what could be done 
>> with them.
> It comes to mind that you would want a separate master process for this in 
> case one would run it on the same box with dovecot imap. Or at least a way to 
> restart/reconfigure it separately.

You could run two Dovecot instances if you wanted to. But I have also some 
plans for making it possible to restart/upgrade Dovecot without losing any 
existing connections.

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