Hi Timo, reading this
http://www.kuketz-blog.de/perfect-forward-secrecy-mit-apple-mail/ it looks like DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA can be forced in use with apple mail ( if no ECDHE is possible ,by missing openssl 1.x etc, seems that apple mail tries ECDHE first if fails its going to use RSA-AES128-SHA ) force soltution as tried ssl_cipher_list = DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:!aNULL:!eNULL:!LOW:!3DES:!MD5:!EXP:!CBC:!PSK:!SRP:!DSS:!SSLv2:!RC4 so far so good , it worked nice with recent thunderbird too but it fails with outlook 2003 pop3s / win7 so i thought about using an order like this ssl_cipher_list = DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ALL:!LOW:!SSLv2:!EXP:!aNULL does that makes sense ? ( using dove 2.1.x / openssl 0.9x ) Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Franziskanerstraße 15, 81669 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Axel von der Ohe, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein