Yes, different teams, but I think Google is still a lot more reasonable company 
to deal with things like this than Microsoft. Although surprisingly even 
Microsoft appears to support SPECIAL-USE in the next Outlook(?) client.

On 8.11.2012, at 2.01, Massimiliano Cianelli wrote:

> Yes, but namespace is in prelogin... and anyway they will say that the team 
> which will make the gmail app is different then the email app.
> 
> IMHO there is only a commercial reason.. keep people use gmail and force 
> company and private to use Google apps... in that way they will not have 
> issue and have push delivery (also called IMAP idle that is not supported).
> 
> Timo Sirainen <t...@iki.fi> ha scritto:
> 
>> Even gmail itself isn't advertising all capabilities before login:
>> 
>> * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST CHILDREN
>> X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH AUTH=XOAUTH2
>> 
>> vs.
>> 
>> * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST CHILDREN
>> X-GM-EXT-1 UIDPLUS COMPRESS=DEFLATE
>> 
>> UIDPLUS especially has been very widely used long before gmail. I guess
>> they also don't want to advertise unnecessary capabilities before login
>> and have determined that all the important clients supporting UIDPLUS
>> support receiving after it post-login.
>> 
>> On 8.11.2012, at 1.48, Massimiliano Cianelli wrote:
>> 
>>> I've noticed an error in my sentence about the change log, it was
>> referred to blackberry.. not to Google
>>> 
>>> Google need only 'namespace', I will try to update the issue (due
>> that every IMAP server that will respect the rfc will not work as
>> expected in that condition).. pointing the problem on post login
>> capability... and we will see when Google will want to fix it.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Timo Sirainen <t...@iki.fi> ha scritto:
>>> 
>>>> On 8.11.2012, at 1.24, Massimiliano Cianelli wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Due that Google act like BlackBerry, Microsoft,etc.. (hovewer they
>>>> will not fix it soon, or really respect the rfc), it's much simple
>> add
>>>> Namespace on prelogin banner then wait or have to tell someone to
>>>> install another client for that mailbox.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't know the history, but looking at change log seems that
>> idle
>>>> as been put back to prelogin client for some kind of compatibility
>> with
>>>> their service.
>>>> 
>>>> Luckily the big ones only needed IDLE to work. I'm hoping to avoid
>>>> adding anything else.
>>>> 
>>>> And Dovecot is currently the most widely used IMAP server, so I
>> think
>>>> there's a good chance of client developers actually fixing their
>>>> clients.
>>> 
>>> -- testing k9
>>> 
> 
> -- Inviato dal mio cellulare Android con K-9 Mail.

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