Tim jumped the gun by about an hour: we just submitted the -05. It incorporates 
the suggested text from below; you can see the diff at:
   https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis-05

FWIW, this new text is somewhat based on the findings from NLnetLabs and SIDN 
on a project supported by ICANN. You can see the report, and an earlier report 
on a related topic, at:
   
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/octo-commissioned-documents-2020-11-05-en

Please let us know if you have any issues with the changed text in the new 
version.   

--Paul Hoffman


On Jun 5, 2024, at 08:25, Tim Wicinski <tjw.i...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All
> 
> The chairs are requesting some final comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis. 
> As you might recall, this document has already been through WGLC and had 
> consensus to advance, but our AD reviewed it and raised some additional 
> questions. (Warren Kumari, “AD Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis,” email 
> to the list on 31 January.)
> 
> Here are specific things we particularly want feedback on:
> 
> 
> -Discussion on the list suggested a change regarding the use of the TC bit in 
> the context of a priming response, which appears in the -04 (current) version 
> of the document but hasn’t been reviewed by the full WG: 
> 
> OLD:
> Note that [RFC9471] updates [RFC1035] with respect to the use of the TC bit.  
> It says "If message size constraints prevent the inclusion of all glue 
> records for in-domain name servers, the server must set the TC (Truncated) 
> flag to inform the client that the response is incomplete and that the client 
> should use another transport to retrieve the full response."  Note, however, 
> the root server addresses are not glue records, so setting the TC bit in 
> truncated responses from the root servers is not required by [RFC9471].
> 
> NEW:
> Note that [RFC9471] updates [RFC1035] with respect to the use of the TC bit.  
> It says "If message size constraints prevent the inclusion of all glue 
> records for in-domain name servers, the server must set the TC (Truncated) 
> flag to inform the client that the response is incomplete and that the client 
> should use another transport to retrieve the full response."  Because the 
> priming response is not a referral, root server addresses in the priming 
> response are not considered glue records.  Thus, [RFC9471] does not apply to 
> the priming response and root servers are not required to set the TC bit if 
> not all root server addresses fit within message size constraints. There are 
> no requirements on the number of root server addresses that a root server 
> must include in a priming response.
> 
> Willem's email to the list which suggests changes to section 3.3 to better 
> explain what is signed when; the chairs feel that these changes should be 
> incorporated into the draft as well 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/D2Ha-Hk2lpvvkcXx7k4RILpgaPQ/ 
> [mailarchive.ietf.org]
> The addition of a reference to RSSAC 0028 
> (https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rssac-028-03aug17-en.pdf, 
> “Technical Analysis of the Naming Scheme Used For Individual Root Servers,” 
> as an informative reference; it discusses the rationale for not signing 
> root-servers.net [root-servers.net].
> 
> 
> We liked to hear from the WG on this by Friday June 14, 2024. 
> 
> Thanks
> tim, et al

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