i think offering more than one wire encoding to get the same outcome would be the opposite of simplicity. if the ietf were to decide that dnssec had been a mistake and universal deployment was no longer to be sought, then we would want to look carefully at the features it had contained and consider other ways to get them.

if it helps, imagine that the lifetime total cost of an "if" statement in an open source program is about $10,000.00.

re:

Zhiwei Yan wrote on 2024-01-19 00:42:
Hello, Paul,

Simplicity and ease of use are fundamental features that enable the large-scale deployment of a protocol. You are right, everyone hopes for the widespread deployment of DNSSEC to mitigate various security risks. While, this draft addresses two key aspects: on one hand, we aim to delve into the security vulnerabilities associated with delegation, and on the other hand, propose corresponding solutions that can be achieved through extending DNS, or assuming DNSSEC and simpler optimizations based on DNSSEC.

BR,

Zhiwei

在 2024/1/7 18:01, Paul Vixie 写道:


zuop...@cnnic.cn wrote on 2024-01-06 22:59:
...

Aggressive NSEC (RFC 8198) is useful against to NXNSAttack –like attack, because it allows a DNSSEC-validating resolver to generate negative answers within a range. ...

have you looked at dns rrl?

... But if a NSEC3 RR has an Opt-Out flag, it can’t be used for aggressive negative caching.  In addition, DNSSEC adoption rate remains low in some area and this situation may not change significantly over a long period of time for policy reasons.

i think as long as we keep adding features that are only necessary because dnssec lacks certain features or is not universally deployed or both, then dnssec will lack certain features or not be universally deployed or both. please be careful what you wish for.

Compared to DNSSEC, the draft is relatively simple, it uses OPT RR option to confirm NS record only when a resolver is requesting address (Glue record) of delegation points. And it is compatible with current DNS protocol.

it will always be within our powers to add complexity. google for "dns camel" to find out one author's thoughts about how to use that power more wisely.




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