None of the above. Do what RFC 2136 does to send updates to the primary 
authority, or do what RFC 1996 does to send notifications to all listed 
authorities. Any new signaling is effectively a way to go out of band. The 
system is complete as it is. 


p vixie 


On Nov 8, 2023 12:06, Peter Thomassen <pe...@desec.io> wrote:

Dear DNSOP, 

As laid out at the DNSOP session on Tuesday, 
draft-ietf-dnsop-generalized-notify (and also 
draft-johani-dnsop-delegation-mgmt-via-ddns) require a method for locating the 
parent-side endpoint (target) where the child DNS operator can send a NOTIFY 
for DS update (or other kind of signal). 

Locating the target via a DNS query needs a predictable qname and type. The 
feeling from the room was that for various reasons, a new rrtype with SVCB 
semantics should be used. 

As for the qname, the authors would like to gather some feedback from the list 
regarding the preferred approach. The below uses the domain "child.se" for 
illustration: 

Alternative #1(a): Look up record at se. (delegating parent's apex) 
- Simple 
- Clogs the apex with more records 
- Likely does not cover all use cases (such as per-registrar target, when they 
want to process the NOTIFY) 

Alternative #1(b): Look up record at _notify.se. (some underscore label below 
parent) 
- Slightly more complex than above 
- Avoids clogging the apex, at the expense of some namespace pollution 
- Covers same use cases 

Alternative #2: Look up record at child._notify.se. (or other magic label) 
- Allows parent to publish per-child targets (e.g. the registrar's endpoint) 
    * Needs maintenance or synthesis 
- Magic label could be considered namespace pollution 
- Unneeded complexity if parent is not a registry (e.g. a university) 

Alternative #3: Try #2, and on failure fall back to #1(a) or #1(b) 
- Combines simplicity and flexibility, but conceptually most complex 
- Might cause two DNS queries 

Please weigh in on what you think is the best approach. 

Thanks, 
Johan, John, Peter 

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