John

Paul is right. As an operator one thing I always obsess on in is the data in my 
zones.  Why is it there , should it be, etc. Another example you may understand 
is “who created this incorrect DMARC record?”

I’ve given them much much feedback. I am eager for others to sound off. 

And Brian, I appreciate your comments but i do wish you read the drafts as 
well. 

Tim 

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> On Feb 17, 2023, at 18:47, Paul Wouters <p...@nohats.ca> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2023, John R Levine wrote:
> 
>> Surely we know people who run services that use DNS validation.  How about 
>> talking to some of them and finding out what kind of user errors they run 
>> into?
> 
> The insinuation here is that we didn't talk to them. One of the authors
> is at salesforce, who is a big deployer of this. We talked at a number
> of IETFs to various people and listened to them. One of the dnsop chairs
> also has quite some experience in this field and read previous drafts
> and gave us advise from their viewpoint.
> 
> But also, the pain is not felt at the people who dictate how to use
> their DNS validation scheme. It is with the DNS administrators finding
> a bunch of unrecognisable DNS records and not knowing what the hell
> they are for and whether they can or should be deleted. Or those admins
> that now see their APEX going back to TCP (yes dig txt cnn.com gets TC
> and falls back to TCP)
> 
>>> (Caveat, I'm responding to this thread, not to the actual draft since I
>>> haven't recently read it.)
>> 
>> It's not very long, should take about 5 mins to read.
> 
> Its a feature. We try to keep it simple and clear and easy to follow.
> 
> And not present people with a number of mostly equivalent ways of
> doing the same thing. In the end, it is a BCP. If you want to insist
> on using randomized prefixes with CNAMEs, make your day.
> 
> Paul
> 
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