> On Jan 13, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Warren Kumari <war...@kumari.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:41 PM Suzanne Woolf <suzworldw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> 
> It's time to get back to our work on special use names. As the chairs see it, 
> here's what we need to do between now and IETF 98 (end of March).  We'll be 
> having a DNSOP WG interim meeting shortly, see below.
> 
> 1. We need to advance the problem statement document, 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps/. Please review 
> and comment on the list. We'd like to have a WGLC on it before IETF 98.
> 
> 
> Some additional background.
> The ICANN SSAC (Security and Stability Advisory Committee) recently (Dec 
> 22nd) published SAC090 - 
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-090-en.pdf (full disclosure: 
> I'm an author).
> 
> It is short, and easily readable -- I'd strongly encourage you to read it 
> (but I'll provide some teasers to tempt you!).
> It notes that "a central authority to control the way in which domain names 
> are used in all contexts-is both infeasible and undesirable given the 
> robustly non-centralized way in which the Internet ecosystem evolves", and 
> that a coordinated management of the namespace might be best. 
> It also finds that uncoordinated use leads to ambiguity (and instability), 
> and that currently ICANN and the IETF (and others) all allocate from a single 
> namespace.
> It recommends that ICANN
> 1: create criteria for determining what labels can be TLDs.
> 2: figure out how to coordinate with a: the IETF declaring names as "special" 
> (6761) and b: other "private use" names. 

I read SAC090 and also recommend that others read it.  The second 
recommendation affects the IETF and, specifically, would address some of the 
problems listed in draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps.

I've reviewed draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps and added some text citing SAC090; 
we'll publish that new revision soon.

> 
> This is a very quick summary, please go actually read it - there are only ~6 
> pages of actual content, but it recommends coordination with the IETF. So, 
> please, let's try and get this moving -- I'd hate it if the IETF ends up 
> looking more dysfunctional than ICANN :-P
> 
> 
> Also, ~3 days ago someone posted about .onion (and Special Use Names) on 
> hackernews -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13370488 . This topic is 
> still of interest to a bunch of people...
> 
>  
> 2. Now that we have a working problem statement, we'd like to see proposals 
> on possible changes to IETF procedures to resolve the issues we've raised. 
> We're looking for on-list discussion, preferably with posted I-Ds.
> 
> These proposals do not have to be limited to work for the DNSOP WG; they may 
> also include work we think belongs in other WGs, or requests to the IESG or 
> the IAB (such as liaison statements to groups outside of the IETF).
> 
> We have had a proposal, for the ALT TLD, before us for some time now, which 
> we put aside while we worked on the problem statement. As part of assessing 
> solutions, we need to review 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld/ and determine what 
> the WG wants to do with it. Comments to the list, please.
> 
> Yes please. The document is still parked, but please send me comments *on the 
> draft* and I'll try keep track of them to incorporate. I know that there is 
> much background which can be culled, I'll post a new version to GitHub with 
> that done soon.

Now that we have draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps, would there be any benefit to 
revising draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld to point to the specific problems .alt would 
address?

<pedantic>I was going to suggest 1,$g/alternate/alternative/, but consulting 
Merriam-Webster informs me that "For all intents and purposes, alternate and 
alternative are synonymous.  Oh, well.</pedantic>

- Ralph

> 
> W
>  
> 
> 3. We're scheduling an interim WG meeting during the week of January 30 for 
> further work on this topic. We'll provide some possible days/times to the 
> list for feedback shortly, and we can't promise to accomodate everyone's 
> schedule constraints but will do our best.
> 
> 
> best,
> Suzanne & Tim
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