One other thing... there are plenty of http proxies that will rightly or wrongly strip or reject unknown header fields.

Since you're proposing the use of POST to send the query, why not also include the Proxy-DNS-Transport value as POST data also.

either inside the application/dns-wireformat definition, or some other new meta format, or just base64 encode the message, and include both parts as form data (application/x-www-form-encoded).

The same applies to unknown response headers (may be stripped or blocked)

Regards

Adrien

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From: "Adrien de Croy" <adr...@qbik.com>
To: "Davey Song" <songlinj...@gmail.com>; "dnsop@ietf.org" <dnsop@ietf.org>
Sent: 3/05/2016 5:14:31 p.m.
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03.txt


Hi Davey

Some general comments:

I don't think you can claim that https provides data integrity or privacy any more, since MitM proxies are abundant.

I think some thought should be given to how a DNS stub might deal with a captive portal or http proxy authentication.

I think also that any HTTP server that receives such a request probably ought to be validating the encapsulated binary data before forwarding it to any DNS server.

I wonder why you'd want to keep truncation, as the request should be able to benefit from the fact that fundamentally it's made over TCP to the HTTP agent.

I would also suggest looking into how such requests might be best blocked by an http proxy, because this will be a requirement of proxy operators, and it would be good to consider user experience for when this happens, so that a consistent approach can be taken (rather than every different proxy blocking it some other way so that the user experience becomes awful).

Cheers
Adrien




------ Original Message ------
From: "Davey Song" <songlinj...@gmail.com>
To: "dnsop@ietf.org" <dnsop@ietf.org>
Sent: 27/04/2016 8:43:09 p.m.
Subject: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03.txt

Hi Colleagues,

We have update the dns-wireformat draft according to the advice we gained from last IETF meeting, changing the well-known URI from dns-over-http to dns-wireformat according to Paul Hoffman's suggestion. Any further comments ? I would like to ask for WG to adopt it this time.

Best regards,
Davey

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Date: 27 April 2016 at 16:03
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03.txt To: "Paul A. Vixie" <vi...@tisf.net>, Shane Kerr <sh...@biigroup.cn>, Runxia Wan <rx...@biigroup.cn>, Linjian Song <songlinj...@gmail.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03.txt
has been successfully submitted by Linjian Song and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:           draft-song-dns-wireformat-http
Revision:       03
Title:          DNS wire-format over HTTP
Document date:  2016-04-27
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          10
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-dns-wireformat-http/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-song-dns-wireformat-http-03

Abstract:
This memo introduces a way to tunnel DNS data over HTTP. This may be
   useful in any situation where DNS is not working properly, such as
   when there is middlebox misbehavior.




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