On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:04 AM Shane Kerr <sh...@time-travellers.org>
wrote:

> Ed,
>
> At 2016-02-29 14:34:39 +0000
> Edward Lewis <edward.le...@icann.org> wrote:
> > I don't think I was clear - this is only about the DNS protocol.  This
> > document proposes that the DNS protocol behave differently depending on
> > the data being carried (QNAME) in it's own messages.
>
> [...]
>
> > This isn't about processing different values differently, this is about
> > changing the behavior of the protocol based on environmental factors.
>
Ah. So you don't like identifying magic zones (other than in-addr.arpa,
> ip6.arpa, .example, .local, ...). Fair enough.
>
> But AIUI, the proposal is an observation that Fujiwara's
> NXDOMAIN-from-NSEC proposal can be implemented safely today for the root
> zone, so we may as well go ahead and do that while considering wider
> usage.
>


Yup. I believe we should still pursue Fujiwara's document, but that is
likely to take a significant time, and there are hurdles to overcome. This
document limits things to a subset where we know things work correctly (and
seem OK within 4035) - once we have demonstrated that things work OK here,
it paves the way for more aggressive NSEC.


>
> Nothing about it prevents Fujiwara's technique from moving on, and
> eventually being more widely deployed. If changes are needed in the
> root or resolver behavior later... well, they would have been needed
> anyway, right?
>
>
>
Yup. We view this as complementing, not competing with aggressive-nsec.



> I don't expect to change your mind but hopefully I understand your
> position and can thus disagree with your actual stance. ;)
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Shane
>
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