I still think, stale or not, having some idea of what the zone's policy is 
regarding signature updates would be useful.  I've been running signature 
expiry monitoring scripts for a few years and having some idea of what is "ok" 
for a zone would be very helpful - particularly those zones that have a policy 
of not refreshing signatures a day or two before expiry (e.g. red ones on 
http://www.dnssek.info/ )- which I would normally consider a concern and start 
firing off warning emails.

-Rick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dnsop-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe 
> Abley
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:22 AM
> To: João Damas
> Cc: IETF DNSOP WG
> Subject: Re: [DNSOP] watching for signature expiration in zones you don't sign
> 
> 
> On 2011-06-02, at 13:17, João Damas wrote:
> 
> > at first glance it might look useful, but this is the kind of info that 
> > tends to go stale and then
> what do you do when there is a mismatch?
> 
> I guess you flag it for manual investigation. The alternative is that you 
> don't really know when a
> situation is actually bad until the signature expires, and it'd be nice to 
> have some early warning.
> 
> I could maintain a manual table of what "bad" means for particular zones 
> based on observation, but
> that seems even more likely to become stale.
> 
> > Would you invalidate a still-valid signature if it doesn't conform to 
> > policy in case someone else is
> signing the zone other than the authorised party?
> 
> Nope, but (especially in these early days of deployment) perhaps it might 
> merit a note to an
> administrator, or a heads-up to a public list.
> 
> > Would you send mail to the zone admin? (and knowing the people on this 
> > list, that would be a lot
> email on top of that admin) :)
> >
> > Shouldn't this sort of admin work be done by the admin, either internally 
> > or by outsourcing to some
> other organisation?
> 
> I guess my point is that unless you're the person involved in signing a 
> particular zone, telling when
> there's a signature expiration problem looming is not easy.
> 
> 
> Joe
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