Obviously the higher up the management tree that one goes, the less the likelihood of finding someone who knows what systemd is, let alone appreciates that running a systemd-based distro on a server is a risk, if not actually a danger.
In my own case - (a) I hate systemd for all the standard reasons - and more - and (b) I resent the requirement for learning a load of new commands, file syntax and administration procedures, when the new stuff offers no advantages whatsoever. I also (c) know from personal experience that systemd occasionally causes hangs in bootup and shutdown, and that's obviously disastrous if it affects a server with 300+ users. From the management point of view, (a) and (b) are irrelevant (although it might be expected that my 25+ years' experience should give them some weight); (c) ***should*** be relevant. The challenge is to find a way to convey the fact that it's relevant. On Wed, 2021-12-01 at 21:03 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Radisson via Dng said on Wed, 1 Dec 2021 21:55:13 +0100 > > >Am 19.11.21 um 12:29 schrieb Peter Duffy: > >> I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number > >> of linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've > >> had a concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested > >> that in the future, it may not be possible to find staff who have > >> the skills to administer and manage servers running non-systemd or > >> pre-systemd distros/releases. > >> > > > > > >FUD, > > But it's the customer's FUD, so if the OP wants to get money for a > well-crafted project, he needs to address this issue. > > >i do unix since 25 year and if your sysadmin is not capable the manage > >a few scripts whats that ? > > From my point of view is systemd a still developing target, that no > > one > >really understands. > > If there's a PID1/supervisor that nobody really understands, that says > a lot of that PID/supervisor. I use runit, and I can explain it in > minute detail. That's the difference between runit and systemd. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
