o1bigtenor via Dng said on Thu, 2 Dec 2021 17:05:59 -0600 >On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:26 AM Adrian Zaugg ><devuan....@mailgurgler.com> wrote: > >> In der Nachricht vom Monday, 29 November 2021 23:08:33 CET schrieb >> Adrian Zaugg: >> > Be prepared for a long, long journey.... setting up an email >> > system with SMTP/ IMAP/Webmail using all the goodies SPF/SRS, >> > BATV, DKIM, DNSSEC, TLS certs, DANE, virusscanning, anti-spam >> > Measures (possibly greylisting, classification, RBLs, dnswl, ...), >> > virtual domain handling, user auth >> from >> > a directory, automatical MUA configuration, backup of the >> > mailstorage, >> asf. >> ...sieve and vacation might also be nice and a solution for an >> addressbook, >> both integrated into the webmail.... >> > > >Hmmmmmmmmm - - - - interesting ideas. >A couple votes for dovecot, lots of roll your own using selected from >the plethora of >options - - - but - - - - - . > >I had thought that when I asked about an email system that there might >be words >re: dovecot (which I did see - - thanks) but what about iRedMail, >Citadel, Cyrus >- - - - - or are those considered groupware only? > >I think I'm getting more confused rather than less!!!!!!!!!!
It's not a simple subject, especially if you want a true smtp server in the mix. I don't run an smtp server, because most email clients have a built-in smtp on-ramp, and even if they don't, you could use a dedicated smtp on-ramp like nullmailer. If this paragraph is confusing, ignore it; it's not really important. The philosophy behind my suggestion is "do one thing and do it well". In most setups, the email client does tons of things: Grabs your email from your ISPs IMAP or POP3 server, lets you read mail, lets you write mail, stores your mail, folderizes your mail, lets you move mail between folders and organize your email, and filter your email. This is wonderful until it isn't. I found that out the hard way, in 2012, when Kmail became the crapitudinous Kmail2, and I became a refugee. Because Kmail had encompassed so much of my email activity in one place, it was almost irreplaceable. I think people on this list could relate, using a metaphor about a certain "we do it all for you" PID1. So in my setup, fetchmail grabs the email from my ISP, and hands it off to procmail, who filters the email and places each email in the proper folder of my Daily Driver Desktop's (DDD's) Dovecot IMAP server's maildir. My procmail IMAP serves out emails to whatever email client looks into it. I normally use Claws-mail, but can use Thunderbird or pretty much any other completely IMAP aware email client. Claws-Mail is pretty much just a window into my DDD's Dovecot IMAP server, plus it can let me write emails, and via a built in smtp-onramp, it can let me send them. It also provides a very nice environment to add, move and delete emails and folders. For various reasons I hope to move from Claws-mail to something else: Perhaps Mutt, perhaps Alpine. Mutt would be the ultimate do one thing and do it yourself because it doesn't have an smtp on-ramp but instead relies on qmail, postfix, sendmail and the like. And Mutt doesn't have its own editor, but instead puts you into your favorite editor. I don't think I can use Mutt to rearrange emails and folders, so I'll need to use IMAP commands for that; perhaps even write my own gui app to do that. Mutt is very hard to learn and very undiscoverable, but that's not why I haven't made the switch yet. Mutt doesn't seem to be able to discover all the folders in my DDD's IMAP server. Once I get past that, I'll probably switch to Mutt. So that's it. My setup is based on the "do one thing and do it well" philosophy, and is more email client agnostic than most other setups, so I'll never again get trapped by an email client going bad. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
