On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 07:16:55PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 10:39:28 -0400
>  Hendrik Boom scripsit:
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> > 
> > Audacity does not collect data unless you opt in to data collection.
> > 
> > You do not need to do this.
> > If the data are necessary for law enforcement, Audacity will hand it 
> > over.  This is presumably required by law, whether is is mentioned in the 
> > privacy agreement or not.
> 
> When you think about this, it's most alarming. There is no need for this 
> functunality in the first place. "Sombody" has to work hard (infrastructure, 
> time, resources) to implement this surveillance functionality. If it costs, 
> "somebody" will want to ge a revenue. There is no such thing as a law to 
> force the user to give data out of his/her hands unwillingly. 

I don't see a serious need for wuch functionality.  May I point out 
though, that even Debian has a feature that reports what packages you 
have installed.  But, of course, only if you install that feature.

> 
> This is a road everybody should pay close attention and if a project takes 
> that turn - drop it.
> 
> > There's no indication they will change the data they collect because law 
> > enforcement requests it.
> 
> This is not reassuring, on the contrary.

And it's not really clear what information they are collecting.

> 
> > If law enforcement needs additional user data beyond what audacity has, 
> > they presumably have to collect it from the user.
> 
> So why sould the user accept audacity to to the police job?

I prsume you meant

> So why sould the user accept audacity to do the police job?

If the olice want the data from a user, they will likely have to get a 
search warrant and serve it on the user.. 

> 
> > As for the use of the software by children, audacity should simply refuse 
> > to collect any data from children, and
> >    * ask the user if they are children
> >    * and if so, simply not colect those data, whether telemetry is turned 
> > on or off.
> 
> In my country this kind of "data gathering" is not allowed aka illegal, not 
> only for children. Audacity will have a bad press when this goes public - and 
> every distribution with this kind of spyware will get it's dose of "told you 
> it's not better than Windows".

A sane country you have.

-- hendrik
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