On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:46:27 -0700 Marc Shapiro via Dng <dng@lists.dyne.org> wrote:
> On 6/17/21 4:59 PM, Patrick Bartek via Dng wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 20:02:35 -0400 > > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 01:29:12PM -0700, Patrick Bartek via Dng > >> wrote: ... > >> ... > >>> Jessie was the first Debian version to use systemd by default as > >>> the init. Perhaps, something was installed as a systemd dependency > >>> that wouldn't have been installed with the new Beowulf computer > >>> under sysvinit that carried forward with a dist-upgrade of Jessie > >>> to Beowulf. Or you installed something on the old system that > >>> wasn't installed on the new one, and that is doing the > >>> automounting. > >> Historical note. > >> > >> And the first Devuan release was called Jessie because it was > >> almost identical to the Debian release with the same name -- it > >> differed primarily in that it did not use systemd as an init. > >> This was the last Debian relese that had no problems running > >> without systemd. > > I run Debian Stretch with sysvinit without problems even though some > > systemd libraries and udev-systemd remained after converting to > > sysvinit. Even updates-upgrades don't result in systemd-init being > > reinstalled like with Buster. > > > > B > > I ran Debian from Bo through Stretch. I had no real problems > upgrading through the releases until I got to Buster. Then I hit a > wall. It MAY be possible to run a very minimal system (with no > chance of running X) and still avoid systemd. While I have been told > that this is the case, I have no personal evidence of this. > > That is what caused me to switch to Devuan. When testing Buster, I was able to run a terminal only system with sysvinit which survived update-upgrade; however, when I tried to install X, sysvinit was uninstalled and systemd init replaced it. I could replace with sysvinit, but whenever I did an update-upgrade systemd init would again be reinstalled. What caused it was a dependency. Some file (dbus. IIRC) that was an X dependency had a systemd library dependency which was present by the way; however, systemd init got installed, too. Never discovered why. And if I tried to "block" systemd init from installing, the upgrade would fail. Systemd had finally become too pervasive to deal with easily as I figured it eventually would be. Like you, I abandoned Debian and went to Devuan. B _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
