On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:50:07 +0100 Arnt Karlsen <a...@iaksess.no> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:30:14 -0400, Steve wrote in message > <20210327083014.2b434...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > > > Alexis PM via Dng said on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:23:21 +0000 (UTC) > > > > > > Hi All, > > >> > > >> Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > > >> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 > > >> > > >> Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? > > >> I'd propose to sign this one instead: > > >> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ > > >> > > >> See also: > > >> An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew > > >> Stallman, which recaps the whole story. > > >> https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/ > > >> > > >> A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from > > >> civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the > > >> ACLU. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web > > >> > > > > > >I propose to extend the Devuan (and personal) signature of the > > >quoted letter ( https://rms-support-letter.github.io/index.html ) > > >also to the other existing letter of support (more detailed but > > >little known) > > >https://gitlab.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter/-/blob/master/index.md > > >(replicated at > > >https://github.com/KenjiBrown/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md > > > > > > > You know, I might not be the best person to advocate for Devuan, > > because pretty much everyone knows my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) is > > Void Linux. But I run Devuan on VMs, and if Void ever stops being > > viable, Devuan is my Plan B. > > > > I think pretty much everyone also knows of my anti-systemd advocacy > > in the critical 2014-2015 period, and I'm quite sure that advocacy > > cost my business revenue in the five figures category. > > ..me, I was playing catch-up after Groklaw.net, also been subject to > Kafka style games, next week I may be able to run for parliament here > as, er, a slightly more human vrms... with a possibly firmer climate > repair policy. ;o) > > ..climate is as simple as a chicken race, either we make farmland soil > out of the methane clathrate tundra gas, or, it will make farmland > soil out of us, just like it did with the dinosaurs, conodonts, > synapsids, placoderms and trilobites, in those wonderful natural > climate cycles so beloved by the gun toting far right. ;o) > > ..oh and the gun toters will love how climate compares to a shotgun > cartridge: Bang on that primer like we humans dug-n-burned coal 'n > oil, then watch the primer shake up 'n ignite the powder like we heat > 'n shake up the tundra with CO2, and the next thing you know is > watching the tundra shooting slugs straight up like a shot gun on TV > or youtube, yeehaw. > > > ..pump the excess heat out of the oceans and sell it as electricity, > is just another one of my ways to fix it. > > > But this isn't about me. This is about some very brave VUAs who > > built Devuan when everyone said it couldn't be done. Devuan is a > > very valuable resource to many, many people. Without Devuan, the > > cause of init-choice would be set back immensely. > > ..there's slackware.com. No apt, no deb, but we have alien, and we > have people on both sides, who can help set up a formal bug tracking > facility for slackware, that can also be set up to facilitate using > Slackware as a viable upstream alternative to Debian for Devuan. There is also PcLinuxOS even if rpm based but they have the full stack systemd free and could be a source of code for devuan as they already solved somehow most of the problems. Systemd free distros should pool their efforts to avoid duplication and to gain critical mass. Tito > > And now you're suggesting Devuan put that all at risk to take a > > stand on RMS. Well you know what? No distro should get involved with > > politics, and this RMS thing *is* politics. > > ..aye. People look for spine and integrity, once they wisen up. > > > It cost Mint plenty of users when they said supporters of Israel > > shouldn't use Mint, and it just might destroy Devuan if they take a > > stand, on either side, on this RMS thing. > > ..aye. Again, people look for spine and integrity, once they wisen > up. Anything visibly built upon spine, integrity and wisdom will come > out as good, and we _have_ walked out of Debian on this suspect > backdoor known as systemd. > > ..short term "Bumpy Rides" are expected common parts of this, and > yes, way way back in its heydays a decade ago, Debian was known to > be the "slow but safe" distro. > > > Listen, if you want to sign that stuff, go ahead. Don't come crying > > to me if your boss fires you for cause for violating their social > > networking policy, and you can't get unemployment because you were > > fired for cause. > > ..join a employee union first, then go slow, document EVERYTHING, so > you can have your union law sharks go after any Kafka style gamers > coming for you. > Steve is not wrong here, exactly because we live in an imperfect > world. RMS is not the only one, we have Snowden, Manning, Winner, > Navalny and way too many more out there. > > > But don't get the Devuan distro involved. Devuan is the work of > > many, many people, for many, many years, around the once very > > unpopular stance of init-choice. Don't put that at risk. > > ..IMNTHO, I believe Devuan as a distro should support and endorse RMS > coming back to the FSF etc boards, for precisely that reason, lowering > the long term risk to Devuan's reputation, by standing firm on spine, > integrity and wisdom. > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the > > Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > > _______________________________________________ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
