On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:15:26PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Sunday 13 December 2020 at 21:13:10, d...@d404.nl wrote:
> 
> > It looks like systemd again is responsible for this mess.
> 
> That is unexpected for me, since I am starting from a clean installation of 
> Devuan Beowulf - no upgrade, no crossover from Debian - just a totally new 
> install of Devuan (which I'm expecting to be ohne/sans/without systemd in any 
> form).

systemd can cause probems on machines without systemd.  Software developed and 
running elsewhere may well acquire adaptations for systemd, which then cause 
trouble on non-systemd machines.  Often unintentional trouble.

For example, 
> > From what I understand uses eudev the same files as systemd with udev.

-- hendrik
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