On 2019-09-06 14:30, Mark Hindley wrote:
On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 11:27:03PM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
Dear Dev1ers,
Many of you have asked how you can help Devuan. Well, here's an
opportunity
- especially for those who keep asking when Beowulf will be released!
I have just had a go in a couple of scenarios using a VM.
The basic process is:
1) Install sysvinit-core (if you don't have it already), remove
libnss-systemd
and reboot.
2) Manually download and install devuan-keyring (wget, dpkg -i).
3) change apt sources from buster to beowulf.
4) apt update.
4) apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade.
The process is not too bad, particularly if you have a very basic
install. However, the main issue is step 1) if you have anything
desktoppy
installed (lightdm, xfce....). Debian's libpam-systemd unhelpfully
depends on
systemd-sysv which in turn conflicts with sysvinit-core. So, by
installing
sysvinit-core the whole chain systemd-sysv -> libpam-systemd ->
policykit ->
desktop gets more or less removed. Of course it could all be
reinstalled later,
but that is understandably probably too much for most users.
I have already submitted #935304 which is being ignored and may well
not be
fixed in bullseye. Sigh!
In the report I point out that libpam-systemd depending on
systemd-sysv doesn't mean
systemd will always be PID 1, which is (I think) the intention of it.
So, I am working on a transitional package that could help in devuan to
smooth
this out and not require the whole GUI to be removed and reinstalled.
The basic
idea is that the transitional package Provides systemd-sysv and Depends
sysvinit-core. Installing it temporarily will satisfy libpam-systemd
whilst the
system is rebooted without having to uninstall half of the system.
Thoughts?
Mark
Thanks Mark. This is very helpful. We will need to have a solution for
a migration to Beowulf to be approved. So please continue to experiment
with graceful ways around the current systemd-sysv hiccup. FYI, I have
also posted your response to the dev1galaxy thread here (I added a link
to #935304):
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17709#p17709
golinux
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