Am Freitag, 27. Juli 2018 schrieb KatolaZ:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:05:54AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Sorry, this may break the thread but I already deleted the original message.
> > 
> > To make things short: this a minimal "libnosystemd" for sshd on ascii. It 
> > basicly does nothing at all. To be more specific, it does exactly the same 
> > that libsystemd0 does, which is nothing. 
> > 
> > Unpack where you like, compile and copy the resulting library to 
> > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0.17.0 (it might be a good idea to 
> > backup the original). "service ssh stop; service ssh start" and oh magic 
> > sshd is up and running without libsystemd0 - that is all it does. Good 
> > enough for me as a proof of concept :-)
> > 
> > Nik
> 
> It's not that easy since already understanding how to build libsystemd
> alone and what should be nooped is not a trivial task (at least for
> me). Especially because they have recently abandoned autotools for
> ninja.

Well, yes, but the wole point of removing libsystemd0 would be to get rid of 
anything systemd, not to magle the systemd sources to do nothing (which would 
be a futile efford). SSHD is happy with "sd_notify", cups needs 
"sd_listen_fds", "sd_journal_print", "sd_journal_printv", "sd_journal_send" but 
is happy with dummy functions. Xorg wants only "sd_listen_fds" ... and so on. 
Virtualy all binaries on my system are happy with just a hand full of systemd 
functions. 

The two exceptions are "/usr/bin/elogind-inhibit" and "/usr/bin/loginctl" which 
make heavy use of sd_*. 

Nik




> 
> And IMHO it's not gonna happen for ascii but for ceres first and then
> percolate to beowulf. It could be backported to ascii though.
> 
> We must keep developing Devuan by looking *forward*, not *backward* ;)
> 
> HND
> 
> KatolaZ
> 



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