Hello all.

I had a chance to play with the amd64 netinst for Ascii in a
virtualbox vm. I thought I would share what I found. For all of the
following, I started the accessible install with s <enter> at the boot
prompt.

1. On my first attempt, I chose the default of install devuan-desktop,
mate, print server, and standard utilities. 

2. Once I got into the installed system, I noted that
spd-say "hello"
didn't produce speech. I purged pulseaudio, and ran spd-conf choosing
the libao sound output. Once I did this, spd-say worked as expected,
and I got speech from orca once I logged in.

3. The system comes with slim, which isn't accessible. I noted that
lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter are available in Ascii, so installed
both. During the install of lightdm I was asked what login manager I
wanted to use,and chose lightdm. I rebooted, and still got no speech
on tty7. This is a regression from jessie as far as I remember. Upon
investigating, I noticed that

greeter-wrapper=/usr/bin/orca-dm-wrapper 
is missing in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf

On my second install, I chose devuan-desktop, xfce, standard
utilities, and console productivity. I noticed that

spd-say "hello"

came back with an error that speech-dispatcher wasn't running. I ran
spd-conf, configured speech-dispatcher for pulseaudio which is
installed, but still no joy. I purged pulseaudio, and configured
speech-dispatcher for libao output, but again no joy. Configuring
speech-dispatcher for alsa worked as far as hearing sound during the
alsa test that spd-conf runs, but that's all. I still couldn't get
spd-say to produce output. Since spd-say didn't work, it's certain
that orca wouldn't work either since it uses speech-dispatcher for
output.

My conclusions from the above are:

1. If lightdm is going to be available going forward, it should be
installed and configured as default instead of slim if the accessible
install option is used. In addition, it should be configured in
lightdm.conf to start orca at the login screen. During the jessie beta
Centurian Dan had indicated that lightdm would be removed from devuan
when I suggested this change be made to jessie. I can provide a link
to that discussion in gitlab if needed.

2. If the accessible install option is used, I vote we not install
pulseaudio since it seems to cause nothing but problems for myself and
at least one other poster here. In addition, speech-dispatcher should
be configured to use libao as output. At this point orca should be
useable in mate. As for xfce, I'm not sure why speech-dispatcher still
won't work even when pulse is purged. This requires further
investigation.

If there is more I need to elaborate on, I can do that. Also, the orca
users on this list, please do jump in with your comments and opinions
on the above. If someone can help in tracking down the
speech-dispatcher issues when xfce is installed, that would be great
too. I'm not sure if that is a problem inherited from debian, or if
something done during the devuan install is the cause. Thanks for
reading.

Greg


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