On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 12:38:49PM -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-02-03 11:18, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > On 02/03/2018 07:14 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..some people _HAVE_ to use Tor, because their lives depends on it. > > > > > > ..and, we need a backup plan whenever Tor fails. > > > Again a life and death issue. > > And there should not ever be a debate as to if someone "needs" it. > > > > Asking a few simple questions about the distro would be an effective > > spam filter without discrimination. > > Our spam setup has blocked about 29700 spammers in the last year and not one > spammer has gotten through. Only about a dozen folks have had problems > registering. So our system is effective and not going anywhere. We also > have questions BTW and before we upgraded our line of defense, spammers were > still getting through.
Including "please ask on IRC for registration" in the error message sounds like a good alternative for those who for whatever reason believe they need to use Tor (be their fear warranted or not, it's not our duty to judge). An automated exception system takes hours to code, and, as you just mentioned, was not 100% effective. A human, on the other hand, has natural detection of all bulk abuse attempts, and will let through at most an individual abuser, who could have easily registered anyway. If you have read Google's "SRE Book", it claims that automating to reduce "toil" (ie, repeative human actions) is always the right thing. That's wrong -- if the human action costs a minute, automated system requires several hours to code, and the action is needed once per three months, leaving it on manual is the better choice. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ The bill with 3 years prison for mentioning Polish concentration ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ camps is back. What about KL Warschau (operating until 1956)? ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Zgoda? Łambinowice? Most ex-German KLs? If those were "soviet ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ puppets", Bereza Kartuska? Sikorski's camps in UK (thanks Brits!)? _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
