Hi there, I have just discovered an article on Devuan in the German Wikipedia today:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan While that article is more extensive than the one in the English version, it has some serious flaws that should be addressed in one or another way. 1. The intro paragraph says: "Erklärtes Ziel ist es, nicht den umstrittenen systemd-Dienst als 'init'-Prozess fest vorzugeben, sondern die Wahl des init-Prozesses dem Anwender zu überlassen und ein möglichst breites Spektrum an init-Systemen zu unterstützen wie es auch in Debian möglich ist.[2]" That translates to: "The stated aim is not to prescribe the controversial systemd service as the 'init' system, but leave the choice of the init system to the user and to support a preferably wide range of init systems like it is also possible in Debian.[2]" Question: How does Debian support a wide range of init systems? Even the claim that supporting a variety of init systems is possible with Debian is at least a half-truth if you take into account what it takes to not use systemd. The source cited in the footnote is https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom. That web page, however, doesn't state it as Devuan's aim to support a preferably wide range of init systems, but rather to "restor[e] a sane approach to PID1". And, of course, it doesn't claim Debian was able to support a variety of init systems. It actually states the opposite, stating: "While Debian claims that 'Systemd is becoming the de facto standard init system for Linux', a number of GNU/Linux distributions, some new, beg to differ. While Debian claims that 'It is better than existing alternatives for all of Debian's current use cases', these rebel GNU/Linux distributions refuse this one-size-fits-all vision of the *nix world that breaks portability, ignores backwards compatibility, and replaces existing services, forcing systemd into adoption." The sentence that follows the one quoted above makes things even worse: "Im Gegensatz zu Debian entfernt Devuan allerdings die Unterstützung für systemd." Translated: "But contrary to Debian, Devuan removes support for systemd." To sum up: Devuan doesn't want to enforece systemd onto its users but leave them a choice and support a variety of init systems. But that is also possible with Debian. Only Devuan removes support for systemd. That's not exactly right, is it? 2. A few paragraphs later, the article claims that Devuan was also aiming to "make it possible" to use systemd, provided its integration won't collide with other init systems or create incompatibilities: "Auch systemd soll ermöglicht werden, sofern die Integration ohne Kollision mit anderen init-Systemen oder Inkompatibilitäten möglich ist.[2]" What did that footnote point to again? Right, https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom . Now, that is an obvious mismatch. 3. "Das in systemd integrierte udev wird durch gudev ersetzt." "Udev, which has been integrated into systemd, is being replaced by gudev." That was actually claimed by someone on pro-linux.de in December 2016 (http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/24234/devuan-ver%C3%83%C2%B6ffentlicht-beta-2.html) – for no discernable reason. 4. "Die mit Langzeitunterstützung ausgestattete Distribution richtet sich besonders an gewerbliche Anwender." Roughly: "The long-term support release [jessie] is especially targeted at commerical users." I doubt that is true. 5. Maybe someone should provide a screen shot of a Devuan Jessie desktop with Xfce in place. Best, msi _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
