On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:05:57 -0500 Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> wrote:
> * On 2017 28 Oct 18:36 -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > I was just looking at some old threads over at DUF and ran across > > this: > > > > https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/lamby > > > > Haven't given it a thorough reading but what I did see I found > > interesting . . . > > Thanks for that. I've not kept track of Debian's politics for about a > year so Chris' name did not create an association in mind--probably a > good thing! > > I hope he succeeds in getting the new maintainer process more > friendly. [snip specific instances in which Debian policies got in the way] > > After 18 years of using De*an, I've encountered some warts that should > be addressed. This is why I think that derivatives sometimes get more > attention as Chris laments. I'd add one more reason. Did everyone notice that neither Chris Lamb nor his opponent give the slightest mention to the systemd fiasco? At least a year of bad feelings. Loss of some of their best and brightest. First ever mention, as far as I know, of the Debian Community as something toxic. The systemd decision process seemed to many an agenda driven roughstep over democracy. I still lurk on Debian-User, and subjectively to me it seems very dumbed down: What you'd expect of a Ubuntu mailing list: Not the bright and active tech leadership that Debian once represented. Debian's conduct of the systemd fiasco cost them dearly and made Debian a lesser brand: Perhaps an analog of the Roman Empire in 401 AD. And yet neither candidate for Head DD mentions it. Just an extension of the Debian "we don't want to hear about it" stand that's been so popular ever since the systemd-avoiders left Debian for better distros. But "we don't want to hear about it" doesn't work. I could give many examples, but they'd all be offtopic political. Debian will forever be tamping down breakout flames of "systemd sucks" from their own ranks until they come to terms with the decision they made and the techniques they used to arrive at that decision. I'm not blaming Chris Lamb for this: The entire remaining Debian community is infected. In my opinion Debian won't begin to improve their lost relevancy and credibility until they undergo a complete Truth and Reconcilliation that includes the kangaroo court decision, the GR "nothing" alternative shuffle, the driving away of those believing in interchangeable parts and parsimonious, need to know simple interfaces. Debian's relationship to Redhat, Gnome, and other monied entities must be investigated. Only after such a Truth and Reconcilliation, which almost certainly will lead to a committment to forever keep open the possibility of alternative inits, will Debian begin to regain its former status. SteveT Steve Litt October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
