On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:12:51 +0200, Arnt wrote in message 
<20171022141252.7d06269c@d44>:

> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:14:24 +0200, Arnt wrote in message 
> <20171022121424.4755f92c@d44>:
> 
> > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:28:21 +0900, Olaf wrote in message 
> > <87vaj7etwv....@member.fsf.org>:
> >   
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Arnt Karlsen writes:
> > >     
> > > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 20:37:35 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
> > > > <20171021193735.gg4...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> > > >      
> > > >> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 08:48:57PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> [cut]
> > > >>      
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > We have been testing amprolla3 for more than two months
> > > >> > > now, on dozens machines, and it has been working like a
> > > >> > > charm.      
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ..ok, with jessie + jessie-* + experimental too?
> > > >> >      
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes. You don't need to use both packages.devuan.org and
> > > >> pkgmaster.devuan.org. The former serves the packages merged by
> > > >> the original amprolla. The latter served the repos merged by
> > > >> amprolla3. So choose one of the two.      
> > > >
> > > > ..done, 613 upgradeable, Obsolete & local dropped to 5 from 6k
> > > > and Installed rose by 6k to 7380, so I guess we're headed the
> > > > right way, I have e.g. pulseaudio wanting to upgrade from our
> > > > 5.0-13+devuan2 to I suspect Debian's systemd'ed 7.1.2~bpo8+1,
> > > > what else to look out for?      
> > > 
> > > I found the same.  I'm on jessie with security, updates and
> > > backports enabled.  It turned out that all my upgradable packages
> > > are from the backports suite.  Slightly worrying is that a number
> > > of these are for devuan-ized packages.  The 'pulseaudio' package
> > > you mentioned is one. Another that is probably trouble was
> > > 'reportbug'.  The other (source) packages I found were
> > > bash-completions and cups.
> > > 
> > > For non-devuan-ized packages, udev and rsyslog might be
> > > problematic.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps,    
> > 
> > ..it does... dropping backports, the 613 upgradeables drops to 60,
> > mostly kde's with fishy +deb8uX tails, sudo, dwww and linux-*-3.16,
> > while linux-*-4.9, forensic-all et al, gnash, klash etc winds up as
> > Obsolete and Locally Created Packages hiking it to 72 from 5, sooo, 
> > like Seth Meyers puts it: It's time for a closer look!  
> 
> ..dropping " -t experimental " from aptitude's cli will let it show 
> it's built package lists, showing no Upgradeable and no New packages
> and "83 bsolete and Locally Created Packages."

..leaving "-t experimental" out while adding backports back in, I now 
have a credible "1 Upgradeable, linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-rt-amd64
version 4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1" and still no New packages and a 
lowered "16 Obsolete and Locally Created Packages", vdev, d1h, apulse,
the refracta's, setnet, linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64-unsigned,
dbus-tests, libjournal-shim and local stuff like companion22, brlcad 
and 2 alien epson printer packs.

..leaving "-t experimental" out of aptitude's cli while adding
experimental back in into the sources list, I now have a more credible
"4 Upgradeable", 3 broken (udisks2, libudev (and libudisks2)) and 
"10 New packages" and a credible "5 Obsolete and Locally Created
Packages", linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64-unsigned, and local 
stuff like companion22, brlcad and 2 alien epson printer packs.

..now adding "-t experimental" back in to aptitude's cli, adds no new
mayhem, the "10 New packages" above are db4.8-utils and depends etc.
"This has been a closer look!" ;o)


-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.
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