On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:05:34 +0000 Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> wrote:
> Fred DC <a...@webafrica.org.za> wrote: > > > My apologies for not realizing that this is an *anti-systemd* > > mailinglist. > > Dunno if that was supposed to be sarcasm or not ... > > The list isn't "anti-systemd" - it's pro-freedom. It's just that > systemd is anti-freedom, and so being pro-freedom can appear to be > anti-systemd. The preceding paragraph describes a lot of this list's inhabitants, but not all. I personally am anti-systemd. Yes, I'm a hater, and proud of it. To use a term that's come into its own in the last six months, I refuse to *normalize* bad architecture, monopolism, bad architecture in the pursuit of monopolism, Poettering or Redhat, by saying "I'm not anti-systemd, I'm pro-freedom". Nope, I'm anti-systemd, plain and simple. The fact that I'm also pro-freedom is quite apart from the fact that I detest every aspect of systemd: technical, political and economic. I say the preceding sentence with the full knowledge that Simon's right: systemd takes away our freedom to operate our computers our way. There was a time when I too espoused the "I'm not anti-systemd, I'm pro-freedom" party line. Matter of fact, if memory serves me, I invented that line back in August or September of 2014. But that was back when I was on the old Debian-User mailing list, and I was trying to appear moderate to fix the situation from within. Those days are long gone, now I say what I mean. Let's look at some logic: By far the main *technological* difference between Devuan and Debian is that Devuan ripped out systemd. Anybody who wants, or even tolerates, Devuan with systemd, would just go with Debian. The fact that somebody goes with Devuan is a pretty clear indication that at least on a technological level, [s]he is anti-systemd. As a final comment, remember back to the people coming on this list basically saying "systemd's not that bad." They weren't treated well. I even wrote this essay after one such incident: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/killfile.htm SteveT Steve Litt December 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
