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On 2016年5月29日 8:43:56 JST, Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> wrote: >On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as > >> "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables >users >> of the system to run background jobs". > >Well put! > > >On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> I see poettering's point, but it's just not a problem for me. I don't >> use a desktop environment that, without my permission or knowledge, >> starts tens of processes in my behalf. For the most part, when a >> process is started in my behalf, I personally started it from a >command >> prompt, Dmenu or UMENU. So I can choose whether or not to close it >> before logging out. > >I think this is Lennart's biggest failing. He is trying to make a >traditionally server OS into an entertainment system. Face it, most >people these days use their devices for entertainment - not work. So >it's not even fair to say that systemd is useful for workstations. > >> Every bit of this was predictable from the moment we learned about >> systemd's architecture. Gratuitous component intercommunication leads >to >> ever worsening problems. A system with gratuitous component >> intercommunication is so complex that it's difficult to predict >exactly >> what those problems will be, but it's a certainty those problems will >> occur. >> > >It's also scope creep, which is diametrically opposed to "one tool for >one job". Some of the comments on that list were interesting: "...who >in >turn will finally get annoyed at systemd." It's like they understand >the >problems associated with systemd but are committed to it. So now they >have to protect their decision - making their relationship with systemd > >more emotional than logical. > >I am not afraid of change, yet, experience has shown that consensus is >wonderful. Lennart doesn't seem to understand that. I am so glad that >there are people with, shall we call them, traditional (unix) values >still on this planet. ＋10000 for this last sentence Big big thanks to devuan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJXSozEIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92NkuU8H/R8cVBvCfvYCeatDUhi4kXWv9nM7Dw5OwhzrXTQHoOvl j5okgXTlTM4PUvJei2yf4va1j9+f5bU39Kdykm8RYbuw8+Mt8ougyOMaQFKHBRC1 9Al0cokiDicTDgvnZyXsyg6Qf44uYDFdRlMRdhQ7jSRnug/sl3PbcSkF1MAnkXRp PaUNZXkPRMyYkx1lqt0nRrEvemj3EQy+vnBSc5GE5ZfY2MnF5/CwYHDE8rdcWzk2 mTFoXlnrQ3MvGuMnSJA/uiXLMewHX5OilS6sXucLzjw7iwKRY30V3VDEZgJ/F+j9 HbieNBNvCSpLmSD45X668pisS88OiP+ASNMUm+5PB6s= =wBs6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
