On 19/12/15 11:28, Rowland Penny wrote:
On 19/12/15 10:21, John Hughes wrote:
On 18/12/15 19:40, Steve Litt wrote:


most of [ JH's posts ] tended to say "libsystemd0 isn't that bad",

I don't think it's that bad, and, despite my asking nobody can tell me why it is.

I will give you a good reason why systemd is bad, if you try to remove it from debian, it also removes your desktop etc.

Are you talking about libsystemd0? Because it's not true that removing systemd from Debian will remove your desktop. If you are talking about libsystemd0 why do you want to remove it? All I see are circular arguments -- "libsystemd0" is bad because removing it breaks things, so we must remove it.



I decided to post to the list because it seems to me that you're all fiddling around with cosmetic parts of the problem (remove libsystemd0, replace udev and so on) while ignoring the huge steaming elephant turd in the middle of the room -- logind.

Without a functional replacement for logind then Devuan is doomed.

Why?, Linux worked very well before 'logind' appeared.


Maybe, but it doesn't now, so either you stick to wheezy or you fix the problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away.

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