One thing that has always bugged me was that Debian was supposed to be *the* distro that runs on just about anything from an embedded system to a supercomputer, from an old dumb terminal or mainframe to a fairly recent laptop (well kinda, drivers etc). It was even one of the reasons the default installer is text-based: it should run over a serial console, etc. Debian supported the most architectures, not just x86 (unfortunately it dropped a few recently). Does systemd even support all this? And what will happen to the ISS[1]?
It's saddening. Oh well, heeeere's Devuan! [1] http://phys.org/news/2013-05-international-space-station-laptop-migration.html On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:56:48 -0300 > hellekin <helle...@dyne.org> wrote: > >> Hello dears, >> >> one of the current tasks of the Devuan Editors is to gather facts >> about the Debian fork in order to write a compelling story to be told >> on debianfork.org. >> >> This domain will hopefully be the place to deflect and defuse any >> troll about the Debian fork and systemd, in order to focus devuan.org >> on the actual distro work. >> >> Any help is welcome to gather original emails, timelines, witness >> accounts, key people and facts. The objective, I repeat, is to gather >> facts, not gossip, and not opinions or feelings about systemd. >> >> What I want to do is reply to the question: "why did Devuan fork >> Debian?" in the most sensible way possible. (Incidentally, "how" it >> happened may also be relevant ;o) >> >> If you'd like to get involved in the writing process, please idle on >> #devuan-www on Freenode IRC. Thank you for your attention and for >> your help. > > Hi hellekin, > > Of course, the Debian-User > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/). Here you can see what's > often called the Debian systemd wars, from about 7/1/2014 through the > rest of the year. You can get a feel for why people continued to try to > force Debian to provide choice, and the feeling of helplessness. > > > The Debian-devel list > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/) shows the systemd discussions > from the start. > > The CTTE deliberations, which I consider the original crime (but you > asked for facts, not opinions), is > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 > > At https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01367.html , you see > Don Armstrong boasting about voting for systemd, and pointing to his > vote and explanation. > > In September 2014, Joel Roth had created a mailing list called > "Modular-Debian", whose archives are at > https://www.freelists.org/archive/modular-debian. > > Modular-Debian served first as a place where anti-systemd former > Debianistas could vent, and then as a design facility for sans-systemd > solutions, perhaps a Jessie Without Systemd. By years end > Modular-Debian was superceded by Dng, and you'll find a lot of former > Modular-Debian people on the Dng list. If anyone knows where to find > the Modular-Debian archives, please post it. > > Throughout late 2014, I (Steve Litt) posted the Manjaro Experiments, > proving that systemd could be short circuited by other inits such as > runit and Epoch and OpenRC. You can see it at > http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm . > > The Dng mailing list started in early November, 2014, and quickly > replaced Modular-Debian as the Go To place for former Debianistas. Note > the famous and historical "Don't panic and keep forking Debian™!" post > (https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55acc3a.en.html) > to reassure everyone after Ian Jackson's GR rubber stamped systemd. > That was the post that got things rolling! > > Running parallel to all of this was the activity going on in the > various non-traditional init mailing lists: > > * supervis...@list.skarnet.org > > * several more > > These people are moving toward making easy to install and admin inits > based on daemontools, such as s6, runit, perp, and nosh. They are > moving toward a user-easy init script language across several or all of > them. Every one of them has a brain the size of Texas. > > The preceding is what I know/remember about the evolution of > Debian-Fork, sans-systemd Debian, etc. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog." _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
