I support Nuno. +1
On 22.03.2015 13:53, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's >> API, in order to support upstream projects that actually require systemd. > > Why? > > Biggest example: GNOME (now) requires systemd. I don't want systemd, > so, i won't use GNOME. If i want either, i'll use Debian, not Devuan. > > I don't understand this sheeple need to do what everybody else does, > indded it's redmondesque. If you want that, go use another distro, > there are hundreds out there who are doing what everybody else does. > Use Ubuntu, it's fashionable and Debian-like. > > This particular distro, at least it seems to me, was born to *avoid* > lock-ins like systemd. Or stuff that depends on lock-ins like systemd, > which makes it [the dependant stuff] locked-in as well. Call it > another kind of GPL thing if you will, systemd is becoming a UNIX™. > Back then, GNU came along and created free versions (minus the > kernel); nowaways, there's systemd™, and here's Devuan. > > So far the most sensible approach of established distros, to me, has > been that of gentoo (which i'm currently exploring): they use OpenRC > by default, but you're free to use systemd _if_ you want[1]. *That* is > freedom of choice and i sincerely hope they won't succumb to the > pressure. Since Debian didn't go that way (a sad surprise considering > what i thought Debian was), here's Devuan. > (I'm not considering Slackware at the moment 'cos Mr Volkerding hasn't > been specific, he's wait-and-see-ing apparently.) > > Devuan's not at established distro and the purpose has been, from the > beginning, to avoid lock-ins. You're free to package upstart or some > other non-intrusive init system for Devuan, i'm sure the VUA won't > mind, and then there'll be the choice between two "unlocked" init > systems (implicitly calling systemd an init system is an > understatement). But i don't see systemd in the Devuan universe - > that'll completely defeat the purpose. Will avoiding systemd cause > more work? Definitely. But what's the rush? Release when ready. > > My 0.02 > > Cheers, > Nuno > > [1] > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Optional:_Using_systemd > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
