Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

[Didier Kryn]

Gravis,     Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on ad hoc daemon? I'll keep breezing, but a little faster :-)     Didier Le 16/02/2015 16:55, Gravis a écrit : You dont have to be a server admin to be concerned about security.  I'm a desktop user/developer and while customization is nice, security is paramount. Revelations about the NSA has really made me reconsider system security for my box and linux in general.  Obviously, systemd has a fundamental design flaw: it has no design because it's completely ad hoc!  I'm certain that if not already, sometime in the future a remotely exploitable bug will be found and will have the terrifying potential of being able to control any networked machine that is running it.  So for the sake of the future, I'm working on a seamless security paradigm that will minimize the capabilities programs to minimize the damage in the event that they turn hostile.  Don't hold your breath though, I'm still designing it.  UNIX/POSIX has impressively robust security mechanisms, we just have to apply them properly. - Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote:     Hi folks.     Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is onboard, I mean the audience.     1) It is clear, by reading this list that part of us are mostly concerned with servers.     It is perfectly arguable that people involved in servers' deployment do not want to dedicate time to tweaking a Linux-based desktop.     Macintosh is definitely for these guys, first of all because its VM works like a breeze. Forget dual-boot: it's a waste of time. Nate told us the other day that a majority of Debian developpers follow the Mac way; the more I think of it the more sense it makes to me, although it is not my way.     Gnome and KDE are aiming to produce a free equivalent of the Mac. OK, they're dropping freedom in the way, but they will produce at least desktops you don't have to pay for. They may eventually pull the carpet under the feet of Apple some day ... or not.     2) I also read that there are people who want to truely own their desktop. Some call them sentimentalists, but they are the people from and for wich free software arised.     To summarize, I see two populations in the audience of Devuan, with slightly different motivations (I find myself in both):         1) Servers' admins, who have professionnal concerns about security and productivity and don't necessary care of the desktop,         2) DIY (and FIY ;-) ) addicts who want whole control on their desktop.     This all comes from reading you guys during the past month, including Mr "FUCK FUCK FUCK" :-). But maybe I missed some people.     Didier _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

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