On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:26 +0100 Patrick Erdmann <p...@perdmann.de> wrote:
> On 12.02.2015 15:35, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:21:00 +0000 > > KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:33:51AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > >> > >> [cut] > >> > >>> > >>> Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers > >>> are, I don't think we will ever get there with desktops. > >>> > >> > >> Agree. That's exactly why, IMHO, we should focus on what GNU/Linux > >> does better, and refrain from gladly and blindly embracing the last > >> miscarriage-piece-of-software "for the good of the large masses of > >> desktop users". Simply put, there are no large masses of desktop > >> users, and IMHO never will be, so whenever something is proposed > >> for the good of these non-existing masses, an alarm should ring in > >> our heads..... > > > > Well said KatolaZ. If they want eye-candy and software that > > incorporates human confusion, they should use Windows or Mac. For > > the person who hasn't resigned himself to being an idiot, Linux has > > Openbox, Windowmaker, LXDE, and a whole bunch of other > > straightforward user interfaces. > > > > That being said, this *is* the *Devuan* list, and our charter is > > systemd-free Debian, so even though I personally think Gnome, KDE > > and NetworkManager are stupid, we have to provide them. > > Maybe not. > > Just think about that: If most of "our" Work / Lifetime is spent to > make KDE, Gnome etc. compatible, possibly it would be better to > provide _one_ DE and stop support for Gnome and stuff. As you said, > there are alternatives. Maybe we just need enough time to prove the > world that systemd was a wrong decission. Hi Patrick, Speaking just for myself, I can't disagree with what you wrote above. As long as Devuan doesn't insert poison pills *preventing* sane, non-systemd-dependent window manager/desktop environments (WMDE) from working, guys like us can install the WMDE of our choice. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
