On 12.02.2015 15:35, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:21:00 +0000 > KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 07:33:51AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >> >> [cut] >> >>> >>> Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers >>> are, I don't think we will ever get there with desktops. >>> >> >> Agree. That's exactly why, IMHO, we should focus on what GNU/Linux >> does better, and refrain from gladly and blindly embracing the last >> miscarriage-piece-of-software "for the good of the large masses of >> desktop users". Simply put, there are no large masses of desktop >> users, and IMHO never will be, so whenever something is proposed for >> the good of these non-existing masses, an alarm should ring in our >> heads..... > > Well said KatolaZ. If they want eye-candy and software that > incorporates human confusion, they should use Windows or Mac. For the > person who hasn't resigned himself to being an idiot, Linux has > Openbox, Windowmaker, LXDE, and a whole bunch of other straightforward > user interfaces. > > That being said, this *is* the *Devuan* list, and our charter is > systemd-free Debian, so even though I personally think Gnome, KDE and > NetworkManager are stupid, we have to provide them.
Maybe not. Just think about that: If most of "our" Work / Lifetime is spent to make KDE, Gnome etc. compatible, possibly it would be better to provide _one_ DE and stop support for Gnome and stuff. As you said, there are alternatives. Maybe we just need enough time to prove the world that systemd was a wrong decission. If i read the blog of John Goerzen it sounds like he is not agains systemd, for me it looks like he does not fully support systemd but he thinks it was a good decission. But the last two blog entries sounds to me like he starts thinking that the complexity of systemd is a bad design idea. (Same as we think). These kind of errors are good for our community. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
