Answer: Yes Case in point: /etc/profile
"# The default umask is now handled by pam_umask. # See pam_umask(8) and /etc/login.defs. " Perl+TK gui scripts from 2012 (that's only THREE years ago) not working under debian stable anymore (when they worked under 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 etc... but not 7.8... yes that's "stable" distro there). (Bastille-Linux) Since when was TK ever supposed to change or things be (gay voice) Deeeeppreeeeciaaaatteeeddd!!!!!! But nothings going to be done about it, will it. You people here also use the excuse "that's a decade out of date, I can see why they dropped it!" (Yes 3 years is a "Decade", and SysV is also ... some years... "out of date": that's called COMPLETED, MATURE, DONE) We have less security than we did a few years ago. That is by design. The people who force this on us should be punished. --- n...@n0nb.us wrote: From: Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> To: Devuan project <dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:25:20 -0600 John is a long-time Debian developer who opines on the complexity he faces in Jessie: http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9299-has-modern-linux-lost-its-way-some-thoughts-on-jessie John clearly states that he believes the problems are distinct from systemd. While many here may not necessarily agree, I do agree that various aspects of the system have become, if not complex, at least more opaque than in the past. I overlooked a lot of this as it gained me some shiny desktop features (I do like easily mounting of removable media and selecting a WiFi AP from my desktop GUI) but I see that left unchecked we now have an ever growing level of complexity. Like John, I don't wish to spark a systemd flame war as that has been done to death. Instead, I think it would be wise for Devuan to lead the way, after Jessie most likely, toward engineering a distribution that is coherent and approachable by cherry-picking packages that maintain current functionality along with reasonable configuration and documentation. Jude et. al. seem to be working in such a direction for device configuration. I'm also pleased with the decision to have Xfce as the default DE. Kudos! Perhaps, I'm not expressing myself as well as I would like. Perhaps this is more an issue of poor documentation from upstreams. Yet I also see what seems to be needless complexity in configuration. Plus there is complexity in dependencies between packages and then complexity in IPC (dbus?). I think what has bothered me the most over the past few years is the churn and what sometimes seems to be adoption and then replacement of a technology without explanation (consolekit to polkit, for example, devfs to udev for another). Some of this is explained away as needed support for desktop environments which are moving quickly. Okay, but when did the community abandon some level of desire for stability? Yes, I'm rambling because, as I posted to John's blog post, I feel helpless and lost with a lot of this. I realize that convenience comes at a price. For example, Network Manager makes a lot of things quite handy, but at the cost of being able to dig through a lot of what it does when something doesn't go quite right. Yes, I know that Slackware is out there (I started with Slackware in 1996), but I am so spoiled by apt that I don't wish to abandon it just yet. I'm also loathe to throw away my 18+ years of Linux and GNU experience for *BSD at this time. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
