I have a slightly different viewpoint:

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 4:31 PM John R. Levine <[email protected]> wrote:

> Since nobody else responded, here's my tl;dr -- interesting proposal, but
> no.
>
> The first problem is that there is no appetite to change ARC at this point.
>

Agreed.  That was a long list of suggestions.  How do we test them?  Who's
got cycles to donate as editor to collect and document the results and thus
the amended protocol?


> The other is that most if not all of the things you propose are not new.
> I proposed a chained DKIM signaure that lets the signer say who's allowed
> to forward and resign.  No interest, for reasons that in retrospect I
> think were good ones because it doesn't scale.  Ale has been proposing
> ways to undo list modifications for ages, again no interest.
>

I still think the modification reversal idea is worth investigating, and
I've posted my own drafts about it in the past, but I can't really advocate
for this when I don't have the bandwidth right now to produce an
implementation.


> I would suggest spending some time looking at the archives of this list
> and related ones like DKIM and ietf-822 to see what has been proposed
> before, so you don't waste your own time reinventing them.
>

Agreed.


> Finally, while the IETF is very good at standardizing things that exist
> and small tweaks, it is not great at inventing new things.  That tends to
> happen in other groups which for mail include M3AAWG and perhaps APWG.  If
> you're interested in this kind of work, you should look into getting
> involved there, too.
>

Here I somewhat disagree.  The IETF can do this, and I think it's good at
it when it does.  But it's only good at doing so when there's a sustained
critical mass of participants doing the work, and I don't think that's been
the case here for a while.

-MSK
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