Hi David, I guess now that you are convinced that I am a scammer there must not be much I could say to convince you otherwise.
Previously I have contacted all of the Australian Django freelancers and asked them if they had any work. I didn't scrape them, I manually went through the 146 Australians of them and found 46 freelancers. 30% of the freelancers responded to me and were all happy to check out my website and consider subcontracting to me. I then decided to contact all of the American Django people. But the idea of clicking through 1.5K of them didn't sound appealing. So I decided to scrap them. I didn't scrape the entire djangopeople.net website, only the US Django people. This was my first and last scraping experience. Before I ran my python script to scrap the US people, I wondered whether what I was doing was unethical. I was spamming many people but I certainly wasn't a scammer. How can someone scam a Django freelancer by asking for work? I'm not asking for money to free millions of dollars locked away in overseas accounts. I was asking to to have the opportunity to work. The only way someone would pay me is if I did a good job for them, thus there is no way for me to scam them. I convinced myself that it wasn't unethical because I did not have evil intent and that it was in the best interest of some of the recipients. Many Australian django users thanked me for contacting them. This was surprising to me since I was thankful that they read my email. I sent my email via Gmail, so: I dont understand what you mean by 1). About 2), somebody sent me an email like this to me about a job and thats where I learnt it. 4) is not true. ashley.j.sa...@gmail.com is my email and my name is Ashley James Sands. 6) I work from home as a freelancer so since no clients ever meet me there, I don't list it. 7) I agree with that this is pathetic, hence why I was so desperate to scrape and spam. If I was a scammer, I would of dumped this email account and moved on. I wouldn't be posting to this Google group forum trying to recover my badly damaged reputation. The only way I can prove to you I am not a scammer, is by asking you to ask yourself "What is his motive?". I am just trying to get work, not scam money. A scammer never hangs around to defend a false/stolen alias. Also 7) is a great point to prove that I am real. If I were a scammer, I wouldn't put something as pathetic as 7) on my website. I would of listed many fake projects that did many great and wonderful things. So since 7) is so pathetic and crap, it is proof that it is real. I apologize to you David, everyone I spammed (~100 US Djangoers) and the Django community for spamming those 100 email addresses. I have learnt my lesson and I won't do it again. This is actually quite embarrassing experience since I have made such a stupid newbie mistake. Is there any sort of community service I can do for the Django community to attempt to make up for my stupid mistake? I don't want to be forever labelled as an evil scammer and I am willing to give back to the Django community as an attempt to recover my reputation. So here's the chance for somebody in the Django community to get free work, open source or not. Once again I must say that I am sorry, Ashley On May 16, 6:11 am, "David Ross @ Wolfeon" <david.r...@wolfeon.com> wrote: > Disregard the email coming from the individual and I don't recommend > doing business with such a leech. > > This guy wrote a program to harvest emails and mass spam using Google > Gmail, the access method of SMTP. > > How I know the guy is a leech: > 1) There's no User-Agent header > 2) He negligently used the From: e-mail address in the To: field > instead of placing the recipient's e-mail. > 3) Others in #django on IRC have confirmed receiving the email > 4) The email is not personal. As a member of DjangoPeople, I list my > real name on the profile. > 5) The site listed has WhoisGuard protecting the whois information > 6) There is no address listed on the website > 7) Listing a meager task of "upgrading a django installation" as > significant. (*chuckle*) > > Why anyone would hire a programmer simply because of an email is > beyond me, but whoever does use sucha method deserves to be screwed. > > I've been subcontracted from IRC, simply by helping other individuals. > Had I the need at any point to pass some work, I'd pass work to > individuals in the Django community who spend their free time helping > others. Time is money, those helping others are doing so at no cost. > So if anyone does happen to need help from key people in the > community, browse the mailing list or stick around on the IRC channel, > you'll find out who is who. > > Simply put as a person who detests spam, "Ashley J. Sands, bugger off. > If you need a job, I hear McDonalds is hiring." > > Below the email with headers which I received: > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Return-Path: <ashley.j.sa...@gmail.com> > Received: from mx1.wolfeon.com ([unix socket]) > by dingo.dancingroo.com (Cyrus v2.3.7-Invoca-RPM-2.3.7-7.el5_4.3) > with LMTPA; > Sat, 15 May 2010 03:51:56 -0800 > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3 > Received: from mail-gw0-f45.google.com (mail-gw0-f45.google.com > [74.125.83.45]) > by mx1.wolfeon.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CC16188001 > for <d...@wolfeon.com>; Sat, 15 May 2010 03:51:56 -0800 (AKDT) > Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17so1521392gwj.32 > for <d...@wolfeon.com>; Sat, 15 May 2010 04:49:42 -0700 (PDT) > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; > d=gmail.com; s=gamma; > h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date > :message-id:subject:to:content-type; > bh=ivZN+3XRL9obp9FxwjRzrKJ5zJBVL2NIWGArPqJPseY=; > b=W0qOKwlErW/ > qPf9NxpWgE0SPV8bZPZmFHRoYLDgXLmZB1XE5RWs0NVHarqnUFgLKWX > pmhGY0HyaolwnSQMN9eyHchO6z1OnOj02iylXMwB > +hNjGX70LivLS7oEYdKNSgNrpX7Q > L+Dg3WnpGa8AbtOFlpFqLaKQ2ZE/WQ+BNB1wk= > DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; > d=gmail.com; s=gamma; > h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; > > b=kYX7VY3L1qmOWFS7TtzMLdq3gqroIv2pave4g60m7ywXqd1/0VFEhZTaVQZ6McxU2t > F14fXdP9jFPEzMpQpDZ6xtkW > +lbn2Jli7S0wGhbTGDYYFFZ0x4LsnsurtPXatpPIzEjN > RnSiM35HfGRiEDgv97ptSSyZmUzTZSyTzxwMg= > Received: by 10.150.56.25 with SMTP id e25mr4007579yba. > 188.1273924169169; Sat, > 15 May 2010 04:49:29 -0700 (PDT) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: by 10.150.219.14 with HTTP; Sat, 15 May 2010 04:49:09 -0700 > (PDT) > From: Ashley Sands <ashley.j.sa...@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:49:09 +1000 > Message-ID: <AANLkTilE7CsBa_IxmLCs137SJMVID57RkX- > uagjlg...@mail.gmail.com> > Subject: Fellow freelancer > To: Ashley Sands <ashley.j.sa...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary=000e0cd611589300370486a09504 > > --000e0cd611589300370486a09504 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > I stumbled across your djangopeople.net profile and thought I would > send you > an email. > > I am a freelance programmer like yourself but I have only been > freelancing > for several months. I was hoping that you could do me a favour by > checking > out my website, ajsands.com, and consider keeping me in mind if you > were > ever to have too much contract work. I must mention that I live in > Australia. As I am relatively new to Django, I charge a low > contractor's > rate of $40 USD/hr. > > Thank you, > Ashley > > -- > Ashley Sands | Freelance Software Engineer > mob: +61412973530 > ajsands.com > > --000e0cd611589300370486a09504 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <meta charset=3D"utf-8"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font- > fami= > ly: Verdana; font-size: 13px; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin- > botto= > m: 0px; ">Hi,</div><br><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: > 0px; "=>I stumbled across your <a > href=3D"http://djangopeople.net";>djangopeople.ne= > > t</a> profile and thought I would send you an email.</div> > > <br><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">I am a > freelance p= > rogrammer like yourself but I have only been freelancing for several > months= > . =A0I was hoping that you could do me a favour by checking out my > website,= > <a href=3D"http://ajsands.com";>ajsands.com</a>, and consider keeping > me in= > mind if you were ever to have too much contract work. I must mention > that = > I live in Australia. As I am relatively new to Django, I charge a low > contr= > actor's rate of $40 USD/hr.=A0</div> > > <br><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Thank you,</ > div><d= > iv style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Ashley</div></ > span><br>-= > - <br>Ashley Sands | Freelance Software Engineer<br>mob: > +61412973530<br><a= > href=3D"http://ajsands.com";>ajsands.com</a><br> > > --000e0cd611589300370486a09504-- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django users" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-us...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. 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