On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 05:48 +1300, Jay Parlar wrote:
> On 7/4/06, Iain Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What about a Django wiki for tutorial type things? Gentoo has one that
> > has been enormously useful to me and could serve well as a model.
> >
> 
> There already is one:
> http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki
> 
> Doesn't contain many full tutorials though.

As a definite contributor to this lack of wiki content, here's my
perspective...

Wiki editing is *such* a painful process for full-length  and
multi-stage articles. A web browser does not make a very good editor;
when I want to save an interim version, it is more useful if it is
instant, not the 10 - 30 second round trip time I get to a Wiki server,
to pick on example. Because of the differences between wiki syntaxes
(sadly), even writing something offline and cutting and pasting takes a
lot of effort. For short pieces and things that can benefit heavily from
community editing, it's great. But for tutorial like articles, I am not
a fan of the wiki structure as an author. I am continually impressed by
some of the work that projects like Blender do with practically
full-length books in a wiki because it shows real dedication to the
cause.

As a consumer, it doesn't make too much of a difference to me either
way, although the lack of downloadable -- for offline or
bandwidth-saving work -- or sensibly printable versions is sometimes
annoying (and I have no credibility here, since my weblog's printable
view is nauseating at the moment).

What I do intend to do fairly shortly is create an external
documentation page in the wiki with links and short descriptions to a
bunch of things that appear that are being continually referenced. This
is along the lines of some of the documentation organising that James
brought up in a django-developers thread last month (essentially being
clearer about "introductory/tutorial" vs "reference" vs "internal").

Some of these external tips and tricks will eventually make it into the
core documentation, I think (off the top of my head, I can think of
content types, signals and user profile stuff).

I don't think Wikis are evil or even a bad idea for Django, but there
are some downsides to authors of longer works. Of course, there are some
upsides as well: one of my more popular tutorials to date already can be
done slightly better because of some changes that went in last week. I'm
not about to go back and edit the article yet, but I might one day
transfer it to the Wiki in a rewritten format if it continues to remain
useful.

Regards,
Malcolm


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