Glenn Tenney wrote:
> Several friends have been pushing me to look at Rails, so I've been reading
> through "Agile Web Development with Rails".
You have good friends, they are giving you great advice. Rails is in
it's second production release, has a huge following, and a number of
books to help document it. Django is still in a major development
phase and is geared towards early adopters and framework developers at
the moment. Many developers have opted to start there new projects
with the newest unstable development branch ("Magic Removal"/.92) so
they can reduce the pain of a .91 migration. This is fine, but you
need to be prepared to change with it. I would recommend doing the
Django tutorial, but would really think long and hard about starting a
new project with it until .92 or later is released.
> Some quick thoughts... with a couple of questions thrown in...
>
> 1. Ok, there IS the Ruby vs Python thing... I'll leave that to some
> *other* place for THAT flame fest as I do NOT want that here!
They are both good tools. You could fight back and forth but why :)
> 2. In Rails you need to declare your SQL code *and* tell Rails about
> your schema, but in Django it's all very nicely put into an object
> oriented description in your model. A big win, to me, for Django.
This is nice if you are not used to dealing with SQL directly, but
really isn't that advantageous if you are already using SQL on a
regular basis. In fact, it does present some issues with an evolving
schema. However many of those issues are being addressed with new
tools like syncdb in the mysterious .92 release.
> 3. Rails supports and integrates well with Ajax. I know that this is
> "coming" for Django... sometime "real soon now"... how's it going?
> When might it be out?
Ajax is a large pill to swallow, and Django is way behind Rails at the
moment in that department.
> 4. Rails has built-in unit and functional testing support. I don't
> know, but I'd venture a guess that few Rails apps actually USE the
> built-in testing capabilities, but it *IS* very nice... Is there
> anything like that planned for Django?
>
> 5. Rails has a book or two already out there -- and already out of
> sync with the version of Rails recently released. Django's book is
> "in the pipeline" but I doubt it'll be out until 0.92 gets released.
There is only one Rails book that is in print at the moment(non pdf).
There are several others that are going to be released very soon
though. It would be impossible to publish a meaningful book about
Django until .92 or > is out. There are MAJOR changes in .92, you
should read this: http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/RemovingTheMagic
if you haven't already.
> Any other major differences that I missed?
There are a number of differences, but you really need to test drive
both to get a better handle on them.
--Nick
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