Joan Touzet wrote on 5/9/19 5:47 PM:
> Hey Shane,
> 
> On 2019-05-09 17:36, Shane Curcuru wrote:> Along with re-running our own
> committer survey, there are plenty of
>> resources and existing frameworks to consider for what or how we might
>> want to approach research questions around D&I.
> [snip]
> 
> Thanks for posting about these here. I've mentioned CHAOSS elsewhere (I
> think it was on members@) and talked about Outreachy at length during my
> ApacheCon Montreal talk on D&I last year. I'd love to see us get
> involved in both more deeply. I also mentioned the Recurse Center, who
> have some simple processes and beahvioural changes that I feel would do
> well here, given our current philosophies.

Oooh, I forgot about the Recurse center!  While they have a very
different model than we do (much of their collaboration is in person for
example) it was really interesting to read and really think about their
social rules, and how they can be more welcoming in that situation.

  https://www.recurse.com/social-rules

In terms of Outreachy, it feels like we need someone to writeup the
details that would make it easy for a PMC to figure out how to work with
Outreachy - explaining the concepts, suggesting ways to make their
schedule fit with typical Apache project methods, etc.

> Outreachy is especially noteworthy, as they've measurably increased
> diverse contribution to the Linux kernel in a way that was accepted by
> that (notoriously reactionary) community. By any metric, this is a
> success - and is a great counterexample to people who believe that
> "casting the net wider" translates to "lowering your standards."

Reading the past years of Linux kernel reports, it was amazing to see
that Outreachy interns showed up in a very measurable way there.  That's
impressive both compared to the historical norms in the past kernel
culture (unwelcoming to many people in general), and compared to the
fact that Outreachy committers showed up as a block of contributions
vis-a-vis the major corporations too.

> My slides, an audio recording, and a full talk transcript are online,
> and I'll keep linking them until people get sick of it:
> 
> 
> https://speakerdeck.com/wohali/building-and-sustaining-inclusive-communities
> 
> https://feathercast.apache.org/2018/09/29/building-and-sustaining-inclusive-communities-joan-touzet/
>   https://wohali.dreamwidth.org/55736.html
> 
> The flipside to the Outreachy story is that the Linux kernel community
> could be, well, more welcoming. So could we. I am eager to get that
> discussion started.
> 
> -Joan


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- Shane
  Director & Member
  The Apache Software Foundation

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