> On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 06:53:57PM -0500, quiliro wrote: > > > Something that is "backed up by an array of publicly available > > evidence." This you have said. But you have not shown. A web page is not > > first hand testimonies. > > Yes it is.
folks, i was not aware that i was on this list, and it made it into spam, so i was unaware of this conversation, and it was a bit of an "oof" to find the subject matter on an FSF list to be such as it is. there is something that you need to be aware of: the entirety of the software libre world is infiltrated and under concerted psychological-ops attack, and has been for some time. the sequence of events that we saw for example during Dr Stallman's forced resignation were as follows: * epstein blackmails young girl to approach minsky * minsky - overheard and witnessed by a renowned physicist - very kindly and gently declines * epstein's team (and third parties) report otherwise * lies as to what happened make it onto MIT mailing lists * not knowing the truth, Dr Stallman defends minsky (from something he *didn't do*) * psy-ops teams, waiting for that opportunity, go into overdrive and activate "attack plan" * gnu.org website is hacked and compromised (for use for later attacks) * Dr Stallman is placed under surveillance (parties unknown) * Dr Stallman begins receiving hate messages (via compromised gnu.org mail server) * Dr Stallman's blog is replaced by a "political blog" claiming that he supports terrorism * same messages also demonstrate the covert team knows exactly where Dr Stallman lives * post-it notes appear on his office door and are photographed that he supports rapists * at 5am in the morning USA time a message is posted by "Mary-Lou Jane" (triple barrel female name) onto libre-planet lists * fake message - a masterpiece of psychological manipulation - pulls all the right emotional strings * *REAL* people around the world start believing the lies, visit the "website", see the fake messages * deeply disturbed by the apparent "evidence", REAL people start a campaign demanding Dr Stallman's resignation it was... beautiful, inasmuch as it was a masterpiece of how to manipulate a group to get someone who otherwise would never compromise, never back down, to resign. we think of free software as being something that everyone wants to have. that every contributor would *automatically* wish to see it succeed. it never occurs to anyone that there might be infiltrators - some of them long-term sleeper agents for intelligence agencies - looking to *actively* undermine free software from the inside. the reason i am making you aware of these events is as follows: 1) no you cannot rely on a website - *any* website - for its integrity. the only thing that you can maybe count on is GPG signed messages (and HTTP pages are not GPG signed). 2) sadly we cannot take for granted that a given participant is "real", nor trust what they write *or that they actually wrote it*. the only things that we know for sure about these people are: 1) that they operate in the "plausible deniability" spectrum. they do not do anything that does not have a "plausible alternative explanation", working hard and planning for months if not years. 2) they are ridiculously well-funded and have access to large resources. ironically far larger than those of free software. please understand: these are people who work in the shadows, long-term, and despite Dr Stallman's resignation being a year ago, they *have not gone away*. their efforts continue. people have already noticed that "a lot of non-technical voices on Fedora seem to be making loud Social Justice Warrior claims", but it simply hasn't occurred to them as to *why* or who is behind that. psychological-ops - psy-ops - teams work by *deliberately* causing discord and dissent. key people - undercover operatives - and key "fake" accounts - work BOTH SIDES, creating "half-fake half-real" masterpieces of fiction based on emotional outrage and long-held beliefs, that DELIBERATELY cause people to fight. you have to admire them, really, because it works. it actually works. they've been at this for decades. the real question you have to ask yourself, is *why* would they do this? they do it because they can, but they do it because Free Software is perceived as a threat. TOR is perceived as a threat. The Onion is perceived as a threat. Distributed de-centralised systems are perceived as a threat. and with the people who contribute to it being highly ethical and principled, the *only way* to eliminate that threat is to sow discord, by way of both infiltration and misinformation. i will leave that with you for you to consider the implications. i'm aware that many people will reject outright the above. others of you will do some research. some of you may need to consult your handlers. please understand that i have the highest respect for all of you, especially the intelligence operatives reading this. you are working under a mandate to protect your country by any means. the problem is: the people who have defined *how* to protect the country that you serve may not have thought through the full implications of the consequences of the actions they're instructing you to take - they're only human, like all of us. i recommend you look up "Robert David Steele", his approach is fascinating. l. _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list [email protected] https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
