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On 01/09/17 08:20, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Le 23/07/2017 à 12:02, Theo Schmidt a écrit : >> >> There is a fundamental > difference between proprietary platforms with >> their own proprietary protocols used quasi-publicly (like Facebook) and >> proprietary platforms usable with public (FOSS) protocols, like Gmail, >> and Email or "WWW", etc. in general. As a non-Gmail-user, I can still >> read from and write to a Gmail account. As a non-Facebook-user, I can >> read some Facebook content, but not write to it. This leads to >> discrimination when quasi-public organisations use Facebook. E.g. Swiss >> television and radio (a so-called public service) no longer uses open >> email addresses or even specific web-forms > > Hi, yes you're absolutely right and in france this is more and more a problem and will continue to, especially with our new president. And I add to this the need to have a computer-phone for more and more things too, while public services are closing: Documentations printed on paper(transport schedules...), phone booths, human desks in postal service, transport services, etc. > > Living in this world become more and more difficult, I don't how and how long I will succeed in survive in it. Indeed some services are nearly all Facebook so unless you're on facebook you can't access those services so it seems they are forcing people to use Facebook, so everyone is then assimilated to that system. There is an assumption you are on Facebook or want to use / be on Facebook, i am not to sure what is worse out of those two. What would happen if we signed up to Facebook using say a protonmail account and bound a diaspora account to it, that way you can write to Facebook without directly logging in, with a very minimal profile it becomes much harder to figure out who you really are, we could have a sort of reverse more information thing where people have fb.me which is a short cut to a facebook article we could have one that points to diaspora for more information, I am looking at putting together a series of tutorials or documents that cover basic computer usage, hopefully in line with the UK functional skills syllabus. Using free software rather than MS office (use libreoffivce), I think it is also feasible to get people to do the codecademy SQL course, for the database section, codecademy also has other learning materials (HTML/CSS etc), for other aspects of the course,. Granted this kind of goes back to free vs proprietary systems, but there is also a question of re-inventing the wheel, why reproduce online learning people, we could direct people to kahn academy and edx too. I think what would be important is to emphasize the fact that the vocabulary is the same, regardless of what you use, so bold is the same in html <b></b> or latex /texfbf{bold text} or using office software or even markdown. Paul - -- Paul Sutton http://www.zleap.net Next Torbay Tech Jam - September 9th 2017 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZqRbVAAoJEKtCepOF+2rt9b4P/3oKFfCiPEnfPNbkQ+NoSNYy we2cn9Kon6oyKrBniMfxmp6mCAqxR4J6W3tijWT0/C941mapa520jHF9ud59KLV2 2WVDIYnrEP+KgKl8X7UrpdaqE/YWm3OGjp3E4nnV+g4ZyX8sURMuRg94HyydpYi1 JEBKkel/5iLnG1SmgPFmp32Tx3KEQwHAyRaLmo3zQ+S5stEY5huTYat+WOKWpkAv wmuu63Hk0CvXU4xQrAF1xpyDDszXirs280aXcaIRdU5Uigt1DOa+/ejo3NtJ9IKv tOMRyCAC3KScb01Rhvl7slcnujdas0TL2EkAhbfiuWaWDFGaTSYGZfywKNa0UdLw utJ7q0VPcwawqiDf0687VfNlDnuZ+JEhYf69lzcbqF/8sI8TwFGXABAd7RofxpZz mZI4rwiwfuVrOCZ3eVAUR2A0UGDvLLVTj1kTRKMlwGfYEhaCkfnbbAoUv5KJuC+i SQ6BEv5XhnxLlVXQ/YIkyASSG0/rrlndwLIHe6KIAoqByv1iIZYmTj4XnIwvTdJK D4OBJHJ5A0gKy2XbIuH08nyec3LrC9CKd0eBNRb5W/huhlJNK+0Cg3PelFlQDmgn rrcOoRyJMdn0v1w+3Vjzd/XjfwRQsbt9L9mup8SJvQJVeUW9nWypMUTpWxD+1KDH LMzB4YmzsdaiDnrS+PTW =i38i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion